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| From | Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.android |
| Subject | Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? |
| Date | 2015-07-28 09:38 +0200 |
| Organization | SAP AG |
| Message-ID | <mp7bhb$f9g$1@news.sap-ag.de> (permalink) |
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Am 27.07.2015 um 21:56 schrieb Rod Speed: > Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> wrote >> Kees Nuyt wrote >>> Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> wrote > >>>> It is true in the sense that many providers here in Germany actually >>>> have a paragraph stating that VOIP is not supported. > >>> "Not supported" does not mean "forbidden". > >> Nope, they mean it in the sense of 'forbidden'. > > BULLSHIT. Skype works fine. Did I say anything different? *You* don't understand the difference between something being being forbidden by the terms of the service (which is only a legal matter), and blocking something so that a customer can't use it (which is a technical matter). As I already stated days ago, a number of German providers have (had?) terms that forbid the usage of VoIP connections on their mobile networks - but I have to see a provider actually enforcing this regulation by blocking such services (like Skype). >>> They just want to warn you that their helpdesk will not help you >>> solve any problems with VOIP. You are on your own - but of course >>> there are webfora and possibly newsgroups with enthousiasts that will >>> try to help people with VOIP setup questions. > >> That is yet another point, but not the one they want to address with >> that paragraph. > > Wrong on that last. VOIP is not forbidden. Skype works fine. Read up about the difference between 'forbidden' and 'blocked'. >>>> However, as of now I have not really heard that they actually >>>> enforce this - which in turn shows that this is not really >>>> used all that much as of now. Might change, though... > >>> Low-cost VOIP is quite common in Europe for the tech savvy crowd. > >> Which is still a (comparably small) subset of the overall crowd... ;-) > > Bullshit with Skype alone. You've got no idea about the usage of Skype in Germany. And I'm not talking about the number of customers, but the number of minutes actually used - just to be precise. >>> The average consumer will only use VOIP if their ISP includes and >>> supports it in the package - usually triple play: Internet / Phone / >>> TV, either over phone or cable-TV infrastructure. They don't know >>> it's VOIP though ;) > >> Here in Germany all landline providers (mostly it's the former >> monopolist T-Com, but as well cable companies, Vodafone, and a few >> local ones) either always sold VoIP telephone lines, or currently in >> the process of converting all their landlines to VoIP (to be concluded >> by 2018). > > Separate matter entirely to what is being discussed. As if you cared... >> However, this is done in a way that the usual consumer won't see much >> of a difference (except for perhaps slightly worse service grades). > > It can be significantly better. Yepp, it can be. Unfortunately, as of now the service grade is not, it's worse. I'm on such a service and I (and many colleagues) see much more outages than we ever had using POTS. And since we (most of us at least) are still using classical phones (and not IP phones), the advantages like better voice transmission (due to higher bandwidth) don't really show up. Michael
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