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Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy?

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"nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message 
news:220720151854233242%nospam@nospam.invalid...
> In article <d1accaFrgqkU3@mid.individual.net>, Frank Slootweg
> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>
>> > > That's interesting how they work it differently in Europe than in the 
>> > > USA.
>> > >
>> > > In general, in the USA, to RECEIVE a phone call is usually free on
>> > > landlines, but on USA cellphones, it costs minutes to RECEIVE a call 
>> > > just
>> > > as it costs minutes to make a phone call.
>> >
>> > which is how it should be because it's using airtime.
>>
>>   True, but that doesn't make it right for the receiver to pay, just
>> because the caller wants to call hir.
>
> sure it does,

Nope.

> because the receiver chose to use his/her cellphone.

The receiver doesn't choose to make the call.

>> > > In Europe, it seems, in general, that to RECEIVE a phone call on a 
>> > > local
>> > > SIM card doesn't cost them anything on a cell phone.
>> >
>> > however, there's a surcharge for calling a mobile phone versus a
>> > landline.
>>
>>   It's not a surcharge, but different pricing.
>
> word games.

Nope, words have meanings.

> it's a surcharge:
> <https://www.fcc.gov/guides/surcharges-international-calls-wireless-phon
> es>
>  Consumers should be aware that placing an international long distance
>  call from your wireline telephone here in the United States to a
>  wireless phone in another country may result in a ³surcharge² on your
>  bill in addition to your usual charges.
>
>>   Anyway, for most
>> providers - at least in our country (NL) -, that's now no longer true.
>> I.e. same price landline to landline and landline to mobile.

> that's how it should be.

There is no should be. And skype has just stopped doing that.

>> > why should a caller have to pay extra for something outside their
>> > control? anyone who wants to be called on a mobile device should pay
>> > for any associated fees, not the callers.
>>
>>   See above. Mostly they don't, and *if* they have to, the caller knows
>> and can make up hir own mind.
>
> there is no reason to burden the caller to find out what type of phone
> the recipient is using.

Trivially easy when the country has had enough
of a clue to use a different prefix for mobiles.

> if the recipient uses a phone that incurs additional
> charges they should be the one to pay them.

If the receiver has no say on who calls them, there
is no reason why they should pay a cent for receiving
a call that may be of no use to them whatever and
may be a complete waste of their time. 

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Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-07-22 20:22 +0000
  Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-22 18:54 -0400
    Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 10:20 +1000
      Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 14:16 +1000
        Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-23 01:08 -0400
          Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 15:18 +1000
          Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-27 10:11 +1000
    Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-07-23 18:46 +0000
      Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-25 20:45 -0400
        Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-26 14:14 +1000
        Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-27 17:33 -0400
          Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-28 08:41 +1000
          Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-28 10:36 +0200
          Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-07-28 20:29 +0000
            Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? madodel ptd News <madodel@ptd.net> - 2015-07-29 13:55 -0400

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