Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe

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Date	2016-06-01 02:46 -0700
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Subject	Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe
From	Malcolm McMahon <malcolm.mc74@googlemail.com>

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On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 21:49:50 UTC+1, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher  wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 31, 2016 at 11:37:49 AM UTC-4, Malcolm McMahon wrote:
> > On Monday, 30 May 2016 17:23:49 UTC+1, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher  wrote:
> > > Here's the evidence:
> > > 
> > > http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-shifrinson-russia-us-nato-deal--20160530-snap-story.html
> > > 
> > > But that's something you don't hear everyday. They blame Russia for "expansion," while preparing for the crumbling of Russia or WWIII, whichever comes first.
> > > 
> > > It reminds me of a story of a certain frog and a scorpion:
> > > 
> > > http://allaboutfrogs.org/stories/scorpion.html
> > > 
> > 
> > Of course, the problem is that the ex-Soviet block countries think exactly that about Russia, and so really want NATO membership because they assume, perhaps rightly, that Russia under the likes of Putin will turn its mind to reclaiming its empire.
> > 
> > And that NATO membership is about the only thing that might prevent that.
> 
> So in order not to be absorbed by one empire they go with another empire, even participating in other adventures around the world. Then the second empire will sit back and do nothing.
> 
> Somebody's getting cheated.

When you're a small country, there really isn't any realistic option of complete independence. The best you can hope is to decide which gang you join.

There's still no such thing as the "international community", it's more like the "international wolf-pack".

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America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher" <thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com> - 2016-05-30 09:23 -0700
  Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com> - 2016-05-30 09:43 -0700
    Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher" <thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com> - 2016-05-30 10:07 -0700
  Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe Malcolm McMahon <malcolm.mc74@googlemail.com> - 2016-05-31 08:37 -0700
    Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-05-31 11:06 -0500
      Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-06-01 10:07 +1000
    Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher" <thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 13:49 -0700
      Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe Malcolm McMahon <malcolm.mc74@googlemail.com> - 2016-06-01 02:46 -0700
        Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher" <thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 05:29 -0700
          Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe Malcolm McMahon <malcolm.mc74@googlemail.com> - 2016-06-01 06:18 -0700
            Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher" <thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 09:05 -0700
              Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher" <thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 14:44 -0700
            Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-06-02 10:53 +1000
              Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher" <thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 20:31 -0700
                Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 10:04 -0700
                Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher" <thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 16:55 -0700
                Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 17:02 -0700
                Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher" <thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 17:40 -0700
                Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 12:34 -0700
              Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe Malcolm McMahon <malcolm.mc74@googlemail.com> - 2016-06-03 03:57 -0700
                Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-06-04 10:38 +1000
            Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Oleg Smirnov" <os333@netc.eu> - 2016-06-02 15:30 +0000
              Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe Malcolm McMahon <malcolm.mc74@googlemail.com> - 2016-06-03 03:43 -0700
                Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Oleg Smirnov" <os333@netc.eu> - 2016-06-03 10:58 +0000
                Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe Malcolm McMahon <malcolm.mc74@googlemail.com> - 2016-06-03 04:10 -0700
                Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Oleg Smirnov" <os333@netc.eu> - 2016-06-03 12:20 +0000
                Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher" <thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 05:23 -0700
                Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe Malcolm McMahon <malcolm.mc74@googlemail.com> - 2016-06-03 05:49 -0700
                Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher" <thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 06:24 -0700
                Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher" <thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 06:27 -0700
                Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe Malcolm McMahon <malcolm.mc74@googlemail.com> - 2016-06-03 08:57 -0700
  Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 17:16 -0700
    Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher" <thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 17:42 -0700
      Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 17:51 -0700
  Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 17:53 -0700
  Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 12:39 -0700
  Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 12:41 -0700
    Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher" <thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 13:43 -0700
      Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher" <thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 13:58 -0700
        Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 17:30 -0700
      Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 17:25 -0700
        Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher" <thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 04:31 -0700
          Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher" <thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 04:50 -0700
            Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher" <thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 04:59 -0700
          Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 16:49 -0700
            Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher" <thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 19:50 -0700

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