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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.sys.mac.apps |
| Subject | Re: pointer can't penetrate link area |
| Date | 2014-03-11 01:19 +0000 |
| Organization | People for the Ethical Treatment of Pirates |
| Message-ID | <bo76klFpkscU2@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | (13 earlier) <1li3g17.3fgmo91khc0m2N%dushanm@nnips.net> <bnsk2fFigrjU1@mid.individual.net> <1li71oa.1vdoqw1e7k1tgN%dushanm@nnips.net> <bo1k3kFk59bU1@mid.individual.net> <1lib04r.17gotnhlu4uc2N%dushanm@nnips.net> |
On 2014-03-11, DushanM <dushanm@nnips.net> wrote: > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >> On 2014-03-08, DushanM <dushanm@nnips.net> wrote: >> > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >> > >> >> On 2014-03-06, DushanM <dushanm@nnips.net> wrote: >> >> > DushanM <dushanm@nnips.net> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> DushanM <dushanm@nnips.net> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> <snip> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Oops - I spoke too soon: this weekend the problem was back. Now >> >> >> > I'll have to see whether it was just the restarting that made it >> >> >> > go away temporarily, or whether clearing out the cache was >> >> >> > involved. And if the cache, maybe deleting the System cache will >> >> >> > fix the problem for good. Also, after the problem disappears I'll >> >> >> > be on the lookout for what was just done before it re-appeared. >> >> >> > It'll be Thursday before I can check that, and will report back. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > - Dushan >> >> >> >> >> >> I did a bit more experimentation and observed this: >> >> >> >> >> >> # a restart is all that's needed to make the pointer-freeze problem >> >> >> disappear in my wife's account; no cache deleting is necessary >> >> >> >> >> >> # the problem seems to stay gone so long as I stay on my wife's >> >> >> account, tho statistics are still sparse, >> >> >> >> >> >> # but when I switch to my account and then back to my wife's, the >> >> >> problem reappears >> >> >> >> >> >> # meanwhile, I've done nothing in either account except invoke >> >> >> Firefox >> >> >> >> >> >> I'll experiment more this w.e. >> >> >> >> >> >> - Dushan >> >> > >> >> > I've little to add to the above, except that I don't have to do >> >> > anything at all to re-introduce the pointer problem in my wife's >> >> > account except switch to my account, then immediately back: the >> >> > problem's there. So apparently the switching itself was responsible, >> >> > probably when account data was being re-assembled. So what is done >> >> > in that process that is not done during restart (the restart is >> >> > directly to my wife's account)? >> >> >> >> Something must get cached. You previously said that deleting cache >> >> files temporarily fixed the issue, right? >> >> >> >> I believe you can find out which cache files are being deleted by >> >> examining the system log after deleting them. That may be a place to >> >> start. You could try manually (selectively) deleting certain ones or >> >> groups of them to see which one(s) are at fault. >> > >> > Oh, maybe I see what you're driving at: when accounts get switched, data >> > in the 'from' account gets cached, then re-introduced when that account >> > is re-entered. And this does not happen - or at least not identically - >> > during a restart. Is that the general idea? >> >> My theory is because deleting caches fixes the problem, that's what is >> happening. >> >> > I can certainly try inventorying the cache files before and after a >> > restart and an account switch, and comparing. But then it would seem as >> > if the switching operation itself somehow carries the infection, or at >> > least activates it, since it wasn't active before the switch after a >> > restart. The mechanism for this is more and more puzzling to me. >> > >> > I try the cache inspection approach and see what I learn. >> > >> > Thanks for bearing with me on this problem. >> >> I think if you can figure out which specific cache file(s) are involved, >> that will lead you to the root caused (and the solution). > > Yesterday I spent several hours trying our different things, and learned > a little, but not what caused the problem or how to fix it. > > 0 in each case below the initial condition was the same: restart into my > wife's acct, with no sign of the problem; > > 1 I manually deleled every cache I could find on my wife's acct, both > system and user, switched to my acct and back, and the problem came > back; > > 2 ... then did the same thing using Cocktail, in case I'd missed some- > thing, and got identical results; > > 3 did nothing (no cache clearing), switched to the Guest acct and back, > and the problem was still gone; > > 4 did nothing (no cache clearing), logged out of wife's acct then logged > back into it, and the problem was still gone. > > These observations indicate that in fact clearing cache does not fix the > problem; only restarting does. > > To summarize: > -- switching from wife's acct to my acct, and _only_ to my acct, brought > on the problem > -- restarting is the only way I found to get rid of the problem - tempo- > rarily until I switch to my acct > -- I did not see deleting cache have any visible effect on the above be- > havior That sounds right to me. > So the question seems to be, how does a momentary switch to my acct con- > taminate my wife's on return? Great question! Sheesh... I'm running out of ideas as to what the cause could be. Have you tried making note of the exact times you log in/out/restart and looking at the console and system logs for entries with those time stamps to see if you might get a clue as to some error condition that might be at play? > Can you suggest more experiments? I thought of one: create a new acct > and see what effect it has on switching to it and back. That would be a good test. If it passes, you conceivably migrate your data from your old account to a new account to (hopefully) rid yourself of whatever is causing the problem. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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pointer can't penetrate link area Dushan Mitrovich <dushanm@nnips.net> - 2014-02-10 17:15 -0700
Re: pointer can't penetrate link area philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2014-02-10 18:21 -0600
Re: pointer can't penetrate link area dushanm@nnips.net (DushanM) - 2014-02-11 12:18 -0700
Re: pointer can't penetrate link area philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2014-02-11 16:20 -0600
Re: pointer can't penetrate link area dushanm@nnips.net (DushanM) - 2014-02-13 19:29 -0700
Re: pointer can't penetrate link area dushanm@nnips.net (DushanM) - 2014-02-17 17:24 -0700
Re: pointer can't penetrate link area Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-18 00:59 +0000
Re: pointer can't penetrate link area dushanm@nnips.net (DushanM) - 2014-02-18 00:10 -0700
Re: pointer can't penetrate link area Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-18 16:44 +0000
Re: pointer can't penetrate link area Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-02-18 12:31 -0500
Re: pointer can't penetrate link area Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-18 19:25 +0000
Re: pointer can't penetrate link area dushanm@nnips.net (DushanM) - 2014-02-22 00:48 -0700
Re: pointer can't penetrate link area Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-22 16:00 +0000
Re: pointer can't penetrate link area dushanm@nnips.net (DushanM) - 2014-02-24 19:45 -0700
Re: pointer can't penetrate link area dushanm@nnips.net (DushanM) - 2014-02-28 12:21 -0700
Re: pointer can't penetrate link area dushanm@nnips.net (DushanM) - 2014-03-06 16:01 -0700
Re: pointer can't penetrate link area Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-07 01:01 +0000
Re: pointer can't penetrate link area dushanm@nnips.net (DushanM) - 2014-03-08 14:50 -0700
Re: pointer can't penetrate link area Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-08 22:32 +0000
Re: pointer can't penetrate link area dushanm@nnips.net (DushanM) - 2014-03-10 18:45 -0600
Re: pointer can't penetrate link area Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-11 01:19 +0000
Re: pointer can't penetrate link area dushanm@nnips.net (DushanM) - 2014-03-18 14:12 -0600
Re: pointer can't penetrate link area dushanm@nnips.net (DushanM) - 2014-03-18 14:12 -0600
Re: pointer can't penetrate link area - SOLVED dushanm@nnips.net (DushanM) - 2014-03-21 21:58 -0600
Re: pointer can't penetrate link area - SOLVED Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-22 18:28 +0000
Re: pointer can't penetrate link area - UNSOLVED dushanm@nnips.net (DushanM) - 2014-03-24 20:35 -0600
Re: pointer can't penetrate link area - RE-SOLVED dushanm@nnips.net (DushanM) - 2014-04-03 13:37 -0600
Re: pointer can't penetrate link area - RE-SOLVED Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-04-03 21:10 +0000
Re: pointer can't penetrate link area - RE-SOLVED dushanm@nnips.net (DushanM) - 2014-04-09 16:09 -0600
Re: pointer can't penetrate link area dushanm@nnips.net (DushanM) - 2014-02-22 00:47 -0700
Re: pointer can't penetrate link area dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-02-11 11:29 +1100
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