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Re: StageFright: QuickFix

From Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de>
Newsgroups de.alt.comm.android
Subject Re: StageFright: QuickFix
Date 2015-08-25 02:30 +0200
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Am 24.08.2015 um 23:59 schrieb Jörg Tewes:

> aber daß heißt ja nicht das es keine Software gibt. Insofern wäre ein
> Beweis das man rein durch Software, gern auch eigenproduzierte einen
> Defekt hervorrufen kann schon sinnvoller.

Beweise zu fordern, ist an diesem Ort schlicht albern. Wir sind hier 
nicht am Strafgerichtshof.

> Ich habe es zumindest bisher
> nicht geschafft einen i5 kaputt zu machen. Wenn ich da Prime95 laufen
> lasse, udn die Lüftung ausschalte dann geht der Prozessor/REchner
> einfach aus, und zwar nach sehr sehr kurzer Zeit.

Das ist aber auch eine vollkommen andere Ebene!
Gegen Schäden durch wild laufende Anwendungssoftware soll (und wird) 
eine vernünftig programmierte Systemsoftware einen guten Schutz bieten.

Wenn jedoch das System selbst modifiziert wurde - und darum geht es hier 
- kann man sich darauf nicht mehr verlassen. Gerätetreiber und Kernel 
haben einen so tiefen Durchgriff auf die Hardware, das ein falsches Bit 
in einem neuralgischen Konfigurations-Register tatsächlich permanente 
Schäden verursachen kann. Praxisbeispiele hatte ich bereits gebracht.

Hergen

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StageFright: QuickFix Peter Mairhofer <63832452@gmx.net> - 2015-07-28 00:37 +0200
  Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-07-28 03:04 +0200
    Re: StageFright: QuickFix Alexander Goetzenstein <alexander_goetzenstein@web.de> - 2015-07-28 08:44 +0200
      Re: StageFright: QuickFix Juergen Kah <machnixx@arcor.de> - 2015-08-06 20:32 +0200
        Re: StageFright: QuickFix Alexander Goetzenstein <alexander_goetzenstein@web.de> - 2015-08-06 21:11 +0200
          Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-06 21:43 +0200
            Re: StageFright: QuickFix Alexander Goetzenstein <alexander_goetzenstein@web.de> - 2015-08-07 00:00 +0200
              Re: StageFright: QuickFix Gert Link <gertlink_nospam@gmx.de> - 2015-08-07 00:45 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Alexander Goetzenstein <alexander_goetzenstein@web.de> - 2015-08-07 09:54 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-07 09:55 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Alexander Goetzenstein <alexander_goetzenstein@web.de> - 2015-08-07 12:41 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-07 13:34 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Stefan Kanthak" <postmaster@127.in-addr.arpa> - 2015-08-07 15:13 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-08-07 20:03 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-07 16:49 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-07 23:41 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-08 18:02 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-09 01:58 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-10 01:52 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-10 10:17 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Helmut@Hullen.de (Helmut Hullen) - 2015-08-10 12:46 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-10 18:11 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Helmut@Hullen.de (Helmut Hullen) - 2015-08-10 18:27 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-10 20:46 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Helmut@Hullen.de (Helmut Hullen) - 2015-08-10 21:37 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-11 00:15 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-10 14:02 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-10 18:21 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-08-10 19:38 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-10 20:51 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Alexander Goetzenstein <alexander_goetzenstein@web.de> - 2015-08-10 21:39 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-10 22:05 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-12 17:58 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-12 23:58 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Helmut@Hullen.de (Helmut Hullen) - 2015-08-13 04:33 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-13 12:02 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-13 13:41 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-13 19:14 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-18 09:19 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-18 17:37 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-18 21:47 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-19 03:53 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-19 10:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-19 11:43 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-19 12:09 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-19 13:12 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-19 18:18 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-19 16:08 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-20 10:35 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-19 19:46 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Juergen Kah <machnixx@arcor.de> - 2015-08-20 00:28 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-20 13:35 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-19 16:07 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-20 10:38 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-20 18:05 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-21 08:07 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Helmut@Hullen.de (Helmut Hullen) - 2015-08-13 15:03 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-14 16:02 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-13 08:31 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-13 12:26 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-13 13:50 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Thomas Einzel <usenet-2015@einzel.de> - 2015-08-13 15:40 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-13 16:11 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Thomas Einzel <usenet-2015@einzel.de> - 2015-08-13 16:35 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-14 10:29 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Juergen Kah <machnixx@arcor.de> - 2015-08-13 21:45 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-14 16:37 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-18 22:13 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-19 22:06 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-20 10:58 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-20 18:50 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-21 08:22 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-21 18:27 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-22 02:30 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Peter Lemken <df5jt@bloatware.de> - 2015-08-22 06:46 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-08-22 07:37 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-22 16:48 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-08-22 09:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-08-22 12:39 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-22 16:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-22 21:32 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-22 15:07 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-08-22 17:07 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-22 20:54 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-22 21:45 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-23 16:02 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-24 16:33 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-22 21:44 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-23 16:26 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-24 16:31 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-24 20:57 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-24 23:59 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-25 02:30 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-25 12:17 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-25 10:38 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-25 11:45 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-25 18:41 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-25 19:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-26 16:43 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-26 20:27 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-27 10:23 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-27 14:12 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-28 10:05 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-03 17:27 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-04 09:38 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-09-04 10:02 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-04 11:28 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-04 17:25 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-09-04 23:24 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-05 01:22 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-07 09:26 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Peter Lemken <df5jt@bloatware.de> - 2015-09-07 12:20 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-07 16:56 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-07 17:03 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-07 21:06 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-09-08 00:01 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 08:19 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Werner Schmidt <werner1@foni.net> - 2015-09-08 22:06 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-08 22:47 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Werner Schmidt <werner1@foni.net> - 2015-09-09 21:04 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-10 19:25 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-08 22:47 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-08 22:46 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 06:16 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-09 15:56 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 16:53 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-08 10:40 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-08 23:06 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 06:18 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-09 16:01 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-09 10:46 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-09 10:56 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-09 17:30 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-10 05:06 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-10 05:14 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-07 09:22 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-07 21:13 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-25 12:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-25 18:43 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-22 19:15 +0200
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                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-28 12:13 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-28 15:33 +0200
                OT: Secure Boot (was: Re: StageFright: QuickFix) Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-29 10:15 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-03 17:53 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-04 09:45 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-04 17:46 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-09-04 23:25 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-07 09:51 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-09 00:57 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-09 11:24 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-24 12:28 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-24 17:28 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-24 21:50 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-25 18:31 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Peter Lemken <df5jt@bloatware.de> - 2015-08-26 18:57 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-10 18:25 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-11 02:24 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-11 17:40 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-12 00:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-12 08:59 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-12 17:55 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-13 01:03 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Thomas Einzel <usenet-2015@einzel.de> - 2015-08-13 01:22 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-13 03:53 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Thomas Einzel <usenet-2015@einzel.de> - 2015-08-14 10:45 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-21 08:24 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-21 13:38 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-21 13:51 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-21 14:04 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-24 10:13 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-24 11:59 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-24 16:45 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-24 20:57 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-13 17:29 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-14 00:44 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-14 01:57 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-13 11:51 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-13 17:46 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-14 11:05 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-10 18:27 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-10 11:29 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Helmut@Hullen.de (Helmut Hullen) - 2015-08-10 12:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Alexander Goetzenstein <alexander_goetzenstein@web.de> - 2015-08-10 12:59 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-10 23:48 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-11 02:31 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-11 17:30 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-11 17:58 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-12 10:25 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-12 13:21 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-12 13:36 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-12 17:09 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-12 17:55 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-13 11:58 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-13 03:44 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-12 20:04 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-12 22:01 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 21:01 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-13 12:21 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-08-13 14:03 +0000
                OT: optimale Schaltkulisse, war: Re: StageFright: QuickFix Werner Schmidt <werner1@foni.net> - 2015-08-13 20:17 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 11:16 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-13 00:11 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-13 03:50 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-15 02:42 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-17 02:44 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-17 14:58 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-17 17:58 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-17 18:37 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-18 01:36 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-08-18 10:17 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-18 17:38 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-18 01:47 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 06:42 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-18 17:15 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-19 04:08 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-19 11:46 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-19 11:43 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-19 13:02 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-19 11:39 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-19 18:07 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-20 10:12 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-20 10:59 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-19 21:10 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Juergen Kah <machnixx@arcor.de> - 2015-08-13 11:05 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Thomas Einzel <usenet-2015@einzel.de> - 2015-08-13 13:21 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-12 17:51 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-12 23:44 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-13 19:25 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-14 11:11 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-14 17:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-12 17:29 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-13 16:28 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-14 11:18 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-12 18:04 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-10 18:18 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-11 02:19 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Helmut@Hullen.de (Helmut Hullen) - 2015-08-11 07:19 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-11 17:29 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-12 00:05 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-12 17:37 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-12 00:47 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-12 17:43 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-13 00:38 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-13 17:11 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-13 23:22 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-14 16:14 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-14 11:25 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-14 20:24 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-19 11:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-19 23:05 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-20 10:17 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-22 19:24 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-22 21:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-23 10:26 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-24 10:21 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-24 13:50 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-14 16:20 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-15 00:14 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-15 15:53 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-15 22:16 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-16 17:36 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-17 00:54 +0200
                Computer in der Jugend (was: StageFright: QuickFix) Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-17 18:14 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-19 12:04 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-19 18:12 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Juergen Kah <machnixx@arcor.de> - 2015-08-13 11:26 +0200
            Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-07 00:18 +0000
              Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-07 02:28 +0200
              Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-10 17:15 +0200
        Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-06 21:12 +0200
        Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-06 23:39 +0000
          Re: StageFright: QuickFix Juergen Kah <machnixx@arcor.de> - 2015-08-08 23:56 +0200
            Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-09 11:51 +0000
  Re: StageFright: QuickFix Markus Fuenfrocken <markus@fuenfrocken.de> - 2015-07-28 10:29 +0200
    Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-07-28 10:42 +0000
  Re: StageFright: QuickFix Matthias Gerds <m.gerds@posteo.de> - 2015-08-31 07:48 +0200
    Re: StageFright: QuickFix Christian Steins <cs01@quantentunnel.de> - 2015-09-08 11:31 +0200
      Re: StageFright: QuickFix Matthias Gerds <m.gerds@posteo.de> - 2015-09-17 15:52 +0200
        Re: StageFright: QuickFix Rolf Buenning <DerRolf@NurFuerSpam.de> - 2015-09-21 09:03 +0200
          Re: StageFright: QuickFix Ralf Brinkmann <ralf.brinkmann.wiesbaden@t-online.de> - 2015-09-21 09:57 +0200
            Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-21 12:21 +0200
              Re: StageFright: QuickFix Ralf Brinkmann <ralf.brinkmann.wiesbaden@t-online.de> - 2015-09-21 13:02 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-21 13:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Ralf Brinkmann <ralf.brinkmann.wiesbaden@t-online.de> - 2015-09-21 15:06 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Peter Lemken <df5jt@bloatware.de> - 2015-09-21 14:51 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Ralf Brinkmann <ralf.brinkmann.wiesbaden@t-online.de> - 2015-09-21 17:03 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Peter Lemken <df5jt@bloatware.de> - 2015-09-22 06:23 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-09-22 08:30 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Peter Lemken <df5jt@bloatware.de> - 2015-09-22 16:53 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-09-24 17:22 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Ralf Brinkmann <ralf.brinkmann.wiesbaden@t-online.de> - 2015-09-22 10:26 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Werner Schmidt <werner1@foni.net> - 2015-09-22 11:28 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Matthias Gerds <m.gerds@posteo.de> - 2015-09-22 23:29 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Ralf Brinkmann <ralf.brinkmann.wiesbaden@t-online.de> - 2015-09-23 12:29 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-09-23 11:13 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Matthias Gerds <m.gerds@posteo.de> - 2015-09-23 14:32 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-09-23 14:31 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Matthias Gerds <m.gerds@posteo.de> - 2015-09-23 14:31 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-21 17:26 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Matthias Gerds <m.gerds@posteo.de> - 2015-09-21 20:37 +0200
              Re: StageFright: QuickFix Rolf Buenning <DerRolf@NurFuerSpam.de> - 2015-09-23 09:22 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-26 12:13 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Matthias Gerds <m.gerds@posteo.de> - 2015-09-26 13:26 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-26 14:21 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Matthias Gerds <m.gerds@posteo.de> - 2015-09-26 15:13 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Ralf Brinkmann <ralf.brinkmann.wiesbaden@t-online.de> - 2015-09-26 14:54 +0200
      Re: StageFright: QuickFix Christian Steins <cs01@quantentunnel.de> - 2015-11-10 13:13 +0100

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