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Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie

From owl <owl@rooftop.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.sys.mac.advocacy, comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie
Date 2015-08-29 20:16 +0000
Organization ok by me, so long as it doesn't get out of hand
Message-ID <afmnv83.akjdfie@rooftop.invalid> (permalink)
References (7 earlier) <D2069CA7.5919F%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> <fandms83.kjfd@rooftop.invalid> <D2074BB2.59218%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> <fadnmv93.aer2e@rooftop.invalid> <D2075DD3.5926F%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>

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In comp.os.linux.advocacy Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 8/29/15, 12:17 PM, in article fadnmv93.aer2e@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:

>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>> On 8/29/15, 2:33 AM, in article fandms83.kjfd@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I think anything you do often enough to have a quick link in the
>>>> print dialog deserves a better workflow:
>>>> 
>>>> https://vid.me/2SuL
>> 
>>> Well, that is surely not a better work flow. Wow.
>> 
>> Yeah... click click boom is not a better work flow.  <rolls eyes>
>> 
>>> You need to go to the file
>>> manager to work with the file in the browser...???
>> 
>> The desktop is always there.  If you want to call right-clicking
>> the desktop "going to the file manager," so be it.

> You cannot maximize screens or go to full screen? Sure you can.

Hot key.

> Comes down to you have to leave the context of the file you are in to run a
> system script...

Hot key.

> below I list just some of these things we have looked at.
> You can do any one or a small number reasonably well, but to do even a good
> sub-set of what I show would be an utter mess on Linux.

>>> What if it is full screen?
>> 
>> Then I just assign a hotkey.

> Please list what you think the reasonable hot keys would be for the
> following features:

You do all of that crap often enough to need a hot key for them?

> * Save current document to Recipes as PDF
> * Save current document to Web Receipts as PDF
> * Save current document to Desktop
> * Save current document to Downloads (I use that as a catchall)
> * Convert current document to PDF with same name and email
> * Convert current document to PDF with selectable name and email
>   (occurs to me now it would be cool if the email client just let
>   you select the attachment and re-name... if Linux clients let
>   you do this it would serve much the same need... OS X's Mail
>   does not)
> * View selected text in Tofu (a tool to make reading lots of text
>   easier)
> * Look up selected text in Kid's Dictionary
> * Look up selected text in Urban Dictionary
> * Look up selected text in Wikipedia
> * Look up selected text in standard dictionary
> * View selected phone number in larger type
> * View selected address in a system map tool
> * View selected address in Google maps
> * Get word count of selected text
> * Add selected text to a program that tracks deliveries
> * Email the selected webpage to someone, as a webpage
> * Set the selected URL to be put in a reading list
> * Send the selected URL to Facebook, with comments
> * Scan the selected files / folders with a malware program
> * Delete the selected application
> * Get a quick look at the contents of this file or archive
> * Make some basic edits to this image / PDF attachment in email
> * Do a "man" search on the selected text
> * Add a Lorem Ipsum sentence at the insertion point
> * Add a Lorem Ipsum paragraph at the insertion point
> * Get all local links from the current web page
> * Get all image links from the current web page
> * Open the current file in a new instance of the associated program
> * New Terminal at Folder
> * Encode selected audio file
> * Encode selected video file
> * Set PDF meta-data

Like I said.  El Capitan should just boot to the print dialog.  That
seems to be where all the important work is done...

> And on and on and on and on. Your solution to add them to a panel or right
> click menu, or to have universal hot keys for each of these, misses the
> point of having be available in the context they are needed.

>>> Sure, I guess you could have another item on your panel...
>> 
>> No need for that.
>> 
>>> but then
>>> you are combining all sorts of scripts from your panel to do everything. No
>>> context at all. 
>> 
>> The context is, "I need the most efficient method of performing this task
>> that I do hundreds of times a day -- saving recipes from the web to my recipe
>> folder in PDF format."

> You save recipes hundreds of times a day? Not I!

> But it highlights the difference: your solutions are good for things you do
> many, many times a day. What OS X offers is solutions for things you do on a
> common basis but not that common,

LOL.  So now the "streamling" must not fall outside a certain range
of importance.  Not too high.  Not too low.


> but still have a good UI which provides
> you with the feature when needed IN CONTEXT.

Such as emailing or chat from a PRINT DIALOG CONTEXT?

> As we have noted, the context
> is not always perfect, but a lot better than having none. A whole lot
> better.

If only the Mack had some.

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OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-27 15:57 -0700
  Re: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-08-28 01:11 +0200
  Re: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-08-28 01:13 +0200
    Re: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-27 16:20 -0700
      Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-08-28 10:06 +0200
        Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-08-28 10:24 +0000
          Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-08-28 13:39 +0200
            Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-08-28 13:04 +0000
              Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-08-28 15:33 +0200
                Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Tommy Troll <elkabong99@Itroll.org> - 2015-08-28 09:50 -0400
                Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-08-28 16:12 +0200
                Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-28 08:01 -0700
                Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) "Thomas E." <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 12:55 -0700
                Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-08-28 13:39 -0700
                Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-08-31 06:02 +0000
                Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-08-31 08:58 +0200
                Re: Peter Köhlmann lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-31 00:15 -0700
                Re: Peter Köhlmann lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-31 00:29 -0700
                Re: Peter Köhlmann lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-08-31 09:35 +0200
                Re: Peter Köhlmann lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-31 01:19 -0700
                Re: Peter Köhlmann lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-31 00:33 -0700
                Re: Peter Köhlmann lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-08-31 10:04 +0200
                Re: Peter Köhlmann lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-31 01:20 -0700
                Re: Peter Köhlmann lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-08-31 12:15 +0200
                Re: Peter Köhlmann lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-31 09:24 -0700
                Re: Peter Köhlmann lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-09-03 11:47 -0500
                Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-08-31 07:57 +0000
                Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-08-31 10:08 +0200
                Re: Peter Köhlmann lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-31 01:23 -0700
                Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-08-31 08:27 +0000
                Re: Peter Köhlmann lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-31 01:32 -0700
                Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-08-31 20:11 +0000
                Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-31 13:27 -0700
                Re: Peter Köhlmann lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-31 01:15 -0700
                Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-09-03 11:44 -0500
            Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-28 08:24 -0700
              Re: Michael Glasser lying again owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-08-29 02:13 +0000
                Re: Michael Glasser lying again Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-28 19:41 -0700
                Re: Michael Glasser lying again owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-08-29 02:48 +0000
                Re: Michael Glasser lying again Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-28 21:09 -0700
                Re: Michael Glasser lying again Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-28 21:16 -0700
                Re: Michael Glasser lying again owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-08-29 05:47 +0000
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-28 23:17 -0700
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-08-29 09:33 +0000
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-29 11:44 -0700
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-08-29 19:17 +0000
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-29 13:02 -0700
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-08-29 20:16 +0000
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-29 13:31 -0700
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-08-29 21:57 +0000
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-29 15:33 -0700
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-08-29 23:09 +0000
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-29 16:11 -0700
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-08-29 23:37 +0000
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-08-30 01:53 +0200
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-29 17:04 -0700
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-08-30 02:05 +0200
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-29 17:30 -0700
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-30 02:06 +0200
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-29 17:00 -0700
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-08-30 00:18 +0000
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-29 17:32 -0700
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-08-30 00:39 +0000
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-29 21:46 -0700
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-08-30 04:29 -0500
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-30 11:01 -0700
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-08-31 20:38 -0500
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-31 18:52 -0700
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-01 07:22 -0500
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-01 10:46 -0700
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-01 12:06 -0600
          Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Walter Myer <awoolmeyer@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 05:40 -0700
        Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-08-28 12:34 -0600
          Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-08-28 20:43 +0200
            Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-28 13:17 -0700
            Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-08-28 15:04 -0600
          Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-28 13:17 -0700
    Re: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-08-29 10:48 -0500
      Re: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-29 11:40 -0700
        Re: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-08-29 14:01 -0500
          Re: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-08-31 09:07 -0500
            Re: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-31 12:35 -0700
      Re: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-08-31 09:04 -0500
        Re: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-31 10:33 -0700
  Re: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder "Thomas E." <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 05:05 -0700
    Re: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-28 07:59 -0700

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