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Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie

From Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Newsgroups comp.sys.mac.advocacy, comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie
Date 2015-08-28 23:17 -0700
Message-ID <D2069CA7.5919F%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> (permalink)
References (7 earlier) <sfnmvnc83.sdjfi@rooftop.invalid> <D20669CC.5916F%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> <fanmcjv83.djf@rooftop.invalid> <D2067E87.5918C%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> <fanmcj0.aw3fp@rooftop.invalid>

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On 8/28/15, 10:47 PM, in article fanmcj0.aw3fp@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
<owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:

> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> On 8/28/15, 7:48 PM, in article fanmcjv83.djf@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> ...
> 
>>     But for those users who require more control over the printing process
>>     and the printers they use, OS X provides it.
>>     -----
> 
>> This is the standard way apps print on OS X.
> 
> Why are you moving the goalposts from available PDF services to print
> dialogs?  

PDF Services are in the print dialogs! Does not mean you cannot work with
PDFs elsewhere: heck, in many OS X programs you can. Here:

<http://youtu.be/yufGdadRcdE>

Those are two other programs... each has the "Share" menu, which is ALSO
tied to OS X Services, but it is not the "PDF Services" feature. And each
has OTHER features tied to PDFs which are not tied to either the PDF
Services in the print dialog NOR the OS X Share feature.

Nobody is saying programmers should not or could not add other features to
their programs.

> Any application on linux can do *all* of the things you mentioned earlier even
> without the capability to print, which make sense given that none of those
> things are even logically related to printing.

Why not show a few programs doing this - say a couple of common web
browsers, a couple common word processors, a couple common image editors,
and a couple common email clients.

This would be TRIVIAL to do on OS X. It is not a theoretical possibility
that it COULD be done, it is that it is IS done. It is provided by the
system itself and programs tap into PDF Services by simply using the
almost-universally used Print dialog.

> Who would think to go to a print dialog to send email?

Who would think to go to a Print dialog to save a PDF? Yeah, it is a bit
weird... but once you know it is there it is a great feature. They could
rename "Print" to be "PDF Services" or "Convert to PDF and Handle", because
that is really what is happening, but I think that would confuse more
people.

> Who would even *want* to?  That's just crazy.

Why would you go to the Print dialog to save as PDF or postscript. It is
because it makes technical sense... and nobody has come up with a more clear
way to label the "Print" menu item. Maybe "Print and More"? "Print Plus"?
"Print +"?

Not sure that would help reduce confusion... but, sure, it is a bit of a bit
of a conundrum for the UI designers. It is also completely off topic. :)

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OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-27 15:57 -0700
  Re: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-08-28 01:11 +0200
  Re: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-08-28 01:13 +0200
    Re: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-27 16:20 -0700
      Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-08-28 10:06 +0200
        Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-08-28 10:24 +0000
          Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-08-28 13:39 +0200
            Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-08-28 13:04 +0000
              Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-08-28 15:33 +0200
                Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Tommy Troll <elkabong99@Itroll.org> - 2015-08-28 09:50 -0400
                Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-08-28 16:12 +0200
                Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-28 08:01 -0700
                Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) "Thomas E." <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 12:55 -0700
                Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-08-28 13:39 -0700
                Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-08-31 06:02 +0000
                Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-08-31 08:58 +0200
                Re: Peter Köhlmann lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-31 00:15 -0700
                Re: Peter Köhlmann lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-31 00:29 -0700
                Re: Peter Köhlmann lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-08-31 09:35 +0200
                Re: Peter Köhlmann lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-31 01:19 -0700
                Re: Peter Köhlmann lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-31 00:33 -0700
                Re: Peter Köhlmann lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-08-31 10:04 +0200
                Re: Peter Köhlmann lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-31 01:20 -0700
                Re: Peter Köhlmann lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-08-31 12:15 +0200
                Re: Peter Köhlmann lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-31 09:24 -0700
                Re: Peter Köhlmann lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-09-03 11:47 -0500
                Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-08-31 07:57 +0000
                Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-08-31 10:08 +0200
                Re: Peter Köhlmann lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-31 01:23 -0700
                Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-08-31 08:27 +0000
                Re: Peter Köhlmann lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-31 01:32 -0700
                Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-08-31 20:11 +0000
                Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-31 13:27 -0700
                Re: Peter Köhlmann lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-31 01:15 -0700
                Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-09-03 11:44 -0500
            Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-28 08:24 -0700
              Re: Michael Glasser lying again owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-08-29 02:13 +0000
                Re: Michael Glasser lying again Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-28 19:41 -0700
                Re: Michael Glasser lying again owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-08-29 02:48 +0000
                Re: Michael Glasser lying again Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-28 21:09 -0700
                Re: Michael Glasser lying again Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-28 21:16 -0700
                Re: Michael Glasser lying again owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-08-29 05:47 +0000
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-28 23:17 -0700
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-08-29 09:33 +0000
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-29 11:44 -0700
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-08-29 19:17 +0000
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-29 13:02 -0700
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-08-29 20:16 +0000
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-29 13:31 -0700
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-08-29 21:57 +0000
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-29 15:33 -0700
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-08-29 23:09 +0000
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-29 16:11 -0700
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-08-29 23:37 +0000
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-08-30 01:53 +0200
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-29 17:04 -0700
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-08-30 02:05 +0200
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-29 17:30 -0700
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-30 02:06 +0200
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-29 17:00 -0700
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-08-30 00:18 +0000
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-29 17:32 -0700
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-08-30 00:39 +0000
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-29 21:46 -0700
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-08-30 04:29 -0500
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-30 11:01 -0700
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-08-31 20:38 -0500
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-31 18:52 -0700
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-01 07:22 -0500
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-01 10:46 -0700
                Re: Owl and Peter deem knowledge to be a lie GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-01 12:06 -0600
          Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Walter Myer <awoolmeyer@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 05:40 -0700
        Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-08-28 12:34 -0600
          Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-08-28 20:43 +0200
            Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-28 13:17 -0700
            Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-08-28 15:04 -0600
          Re: Michael Glasser lying again (Was: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-28 13:17 -0700
    Re: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-08-29 10:48 -0500
      Re: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-29 11:40 -0700
        Re: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-08-29 14:01 -0500
          Re: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-08-31 09:07 -0500
            Re: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-31 12:35 -0700
      Re: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-08-31 09:04 -0500
        Re: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-31 10:33 -0700
  Re: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder "Thomas E." <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 05:05 -0700
    Re: OS X: Print to PDF from the Finder Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-28 07:59 -0700

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