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Re: [embonpoint] was once a completely positive term in France

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HenHanna wrote:

>>  [embonpoint]  was once a completely positive term in France. 

> esp. for Children (?),  as in the following Poem from 1537 (?)  by  Clément Marot


> A une Damoyselle malade

> Ma mignonne,
> Je vous donne
> Le bon jour;
> Le séjour
> C’est prison.
> Guérison
> Recouvrez,
> Puis ouvrez
> Votre porte
> Et qu’on sorte
> Vitement,
> Car Clément
> Le vous mande.
> Va, friande
> De ta bouche,
> Qui se couche
> En danger
> Pour manger
> Confitures;
> Si tu dures
> Trop malade,
> Couleur fade
> Tu prendras,
> Et perdras
> L’embonpoint.           <--------------
> Dieu te doint
> Santé bonne,
> Ma mignonne.



> Je vous donne Le bon jour;   <----   this is like  [I send you my Greetings]  ???

>                            or more literally like  [I'll give you (a gift of) a Good-Day]  ???




> Tu prendras, Et perdras L’embonpoint.   (future Tense)   (future Tense) ?

>              Meaning-wise, This  [prendras, Et]  seems unnecessary... Do you agree?


No, because "tu prendras" and "tu perdras" don't go together. Actually, "Couleur fade
Tu prendras" is an anastrophe for "Tu prendras (une) couleur fade". Without the "Et",
the lines could be understood as "Tu prendras l'embonpoint et tu perdras l'embonpoint",
which is not the intended meaning.

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[embonpoint] was once a completely positive term in France HenHanna <HenHanna@devnull.tb> - 2024-05-07 16:33 -0700
  Re: [embonpoint] was once a completely positive term in France bebercito@aol.com (Bebercito) - 2024-05-08 15:49 +0000
    Re: [embonpoint] was once a completely positive term in France HenHanna <HenHanna@dev.null> - 2024-05-08 19:32 +0000
    Re: [embonpoint] was once a completely positive term in France Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2024-05-09 06:07 +0100
      Re: [embonpoint] was once a completely positive term in France occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2024-05-09 10:55 +0200
  Re: [embonpoint] was once a completely positive term in France HenHanna <HenHanna@dev.null> - 2024-05-10 19:19 +0000
    Re: [embonpoint] was once a completely positive term in France bebercito@aol.com (Bebercito) - 2024-05-11 05:25 +0000
      Re: [embonpoint] was once a completely positive term in France HenHanna <HenHanna@dev.null> - 2024-05-11 07:32 +0000
        Re: [embonpoint] was once a completely positive term in France HenHanna <HenHanna@devnull.tb> - 2024-06-15 17:42 -0700
          Re: [embonpoint] was once a completely positive term in France Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2024-06-16 11:29 +1000
            Re: [embonpoint] was once a completely positive term in France HenHanna <HenHanna@dev.null> - 2024-06-16 03:24 +0000
              Re: [embonpoint] was once a completely positive term in France HenHanna <HenHanna@dev.null> - 2024-06-16 05:07 +0000
                Re: [embonpoint] was once a completely positive term in France Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2024-06-16 15:28 +1000
                Re: [embonpoint] was once a completely positive term in France Julien ÉLIE <iulius@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid> - 2024-06-16 09:08 +0200
                Re: [embonpoint] was once a completely positive term in France HenHanna <HenHanna@devnull.tb> - 2024-06-16 00:44 -0700
                Re: [embonpoint] was once a completely positive term in France Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2024-06-16 09:03 +0100
                Re: [embonpoint] was once a completely positive term in France Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2024-06-16 19:41 +1000
                Re: [embonpoint] was once a completely positive term in France Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2024-06-16 19:26 +0100
                Re: [embonpoint] was once a completely positive term in France Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2024-10-27 11:43 +0000
                Re: [embonpoint] was once a completely positive term in France Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2024-10-27 19:53 +0100
                Re: [embonpoint] was once a completely positive term in France Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2024-10-28 12:43 +1100
                Re: [embonpoint] was once a completely positive term in France Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2024-10-28 18:47 +0000

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