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| Subject | Re: puppies |
| From | Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> |
| References | (6 earlier) <mrio9d$ql1$1@dont-email.me> <XnsA501A34761BEAtaustingmail@69.16.179.43> <mrj8g7$7ks$1@dont-email.me> <XnsA5025FD8E7DDtaustingmail@69.16.179.43> <mrmq26$aof$1@Iltempo.Update.UU.SE> |
| Message-ID | <XnsA503601DC9950taustingmail@69.16.179.42> (permalink) |
| Organization | Forte - www.forteinc.com |
| Date | 2015-08-27 09:26 -0700 |
Erik Trulsson <erikt@Update.UU.SE> wrote in
news:mrmq26$aof$1@Iltempo.Update.UU.SE:
> Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote in
>> news:mrj8g7$7ks$1@dont-email.me:
>
>>>
>>> Had I voted, I'd have done the same as most of them. They
>>> weren't
>>> voting against the puppies' WORKs, they were voting against
>>> them being assholes and forcing their way onto the ballot in a
>>> technically legal but obviously wrongheaded manner.
>>
>> Which is to say, you agree that the Puppies were _correct_ when
>> they predicted that voting would not be based on the quality of
>> the writing, and you apparently agree that it shouldn't be.
>
> They were sort of correct in the result, but not about the
> reasons.
>
> They predicted they would be biased against because they were
> too right-wing, or not part of the "inner circle", etc.
>
> That was not why they were biased against. People voted against
> them because they did not like the way they tried to push their
> way in - or the accusations they threw around.
>
> The big 'conspiracy' against them did not exist before the Puppy
> campaign started - it came into being as a result.
>
> Their acts created an opposition where none had existed before -
> and then claims victory because they had predicted that they
> would be opposed. A self-fulfilling prophecy if ever there was
> one.
>
And? They, or rather, the Worldcon insiders, proved beyond any
doubt that the quality of the work doesn't matter. That they will
vote the awards based on their opinions of the authors and the
people promoting the work. They *said* so, publicly, quite a few
times, and advocated others do the same.
Calling it a conspiracy is overstating the case, at least in common
usage (conspracies do not rquire conscious planning and
cooperation, really, they can arise spontaneously, as this one
did). But certainly there was a willingness to come together and
protect the view of what should get awards _that was not based on
the quality of the works_, that was deeply embedded in the Worldcon
culture. There's no question of that at all any more.
--
Terry Austin
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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Re: puppies "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-08-26 20:46 -0400
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Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 09:25 -0700
Re: puppies Erik Trulsson <erikt@Update.UU.SE> - 2015-08-27 10:50 +0000
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 09:26 -0700
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Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 09:18 -0700
Re: puppies Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> - 2015-08-27 11:59 -0500
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 10:38 -0700
Re: puppies jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2015-08-28 17:49 +0000
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 10:53 -0700
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Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-13 10:40 -0700
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-27 10:12 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 10:39 -0700
Re: puppies "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-08-27 19:09 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 08:47 -0700
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Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 10:54 -0700
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-27 12:18 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 13:06 -0700
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-27 13:41 -0700
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Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-28 08:19 -0700
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Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 09:30 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-27 13:41 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 10:53 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-27 21:26 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 09:00 -0700
Re: puppies Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com> - 2015-08-28 15:12 +0000
Re: puppies David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-08-28 09:26 -0600
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 09:11 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-28 12:19 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 10:44 -0700
Re: puppies David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-28 22:56 -0500
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 09:19 -0700
Re: puppies "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-09-01 13:43 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 11:16 -0700
Re: puppies Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-09-01 16:39 -0600
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 16:08 -0700
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-01 17:42 -0700
Re: puppies "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 20:52 -0400
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-02 08:26 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 08:13 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-01 23:26 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 08:14 -0700
Re: puppies petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-09-02 08:36 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 10:18 -0700
Re: puppies petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-09-02 10:38 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 11:42 -0700
Re: puppies scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-09-02 18:35 +0000
Re: puppies David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-09-02 12:38 -0600
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 11:45 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-02 15:46 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 13:53 -0700
Re: puppies David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-09-02 15:04 -0600
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-02 14:19 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 14:22 -0700
Re: puppies leif.roar@dimnakorr.com - 2015-09-03 02:55 -0500
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-03 05:23 -0700
Re: puppies petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-09-03 06:28 -0700
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-03 07:44 -0700
Re: puppies Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-09-03 09:10 -0700
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-03 09:33 -0700
Re: puppies David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-09-03 10:59 -0600
Re: puppies jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2015-09-03 17:46 +0000
Re: puppies petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-09-03 11:05 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 11:09 -0700
Re: puppies petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-09-03 11:24 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 11:39 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-03 17:37 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 15:21 -0700
Re: puppies Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 18:48 -0500
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 16:51 -0700
Re: puppies Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2015-09-03 18:19 -0700
Re: puppies jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2015-09-03 19:14 +0000
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 13:05 -0700
Re: puppies petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-09-03 13:08 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 13:19 -0700
Re: puppies jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2015-09-04 14:57 +0000
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 11:06 -0700
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-03 11:40 -0700
Re: puppies Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-09-03 15:13 -0400
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-03 12:54 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-03 17:41 -0400
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-03 19:29 -0700
Re: puppies Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2015-09-03 20:53 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 09:12 -0700
Re: puppies Konrad Gaertner <kgaertner@tx.rr.com> - 2015-09-04 13:48 -0500
Re: puppies Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-09-04 15:09 -0400
Re: puppies "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-09-04 21:16 +0100
Re: puppies Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2015-09-04 13:29 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 13:44 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-05 06:40 -0400
Re: puppies Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2015-09-05 11:45 -0700
Re: puppies goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2015-09-05 00:30 +0000
Re: puppies Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 20:01 -0500
Re: puppies Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-09-05 01:43 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 09:02 -0700
Re: puppies "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-09-08 15:02 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 12:55 -0700
Re: puppies hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2015-09-13 07:22 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-13 10:42 -0700
Re: puppies Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-09-13 11:46 -0600
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-13 14:02 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-13 22:18 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-13 22:13 -0700
Re: puppies "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-09-13 16:25 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-13 22:20 -0700
Re: puppies "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-09-06 21:42 -0400
Re: puppies Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2015-09-04 12:39 -0700
Re: puppies "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-09-04 23:58 -0400
Re: puppies Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2015-09-05 11:31 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 09:03 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 09:10 -0700
Re: puppies scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-09-04 16:19 +0000
Re: puppies David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-09-04 10:24 -0600
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 09:44 -0700
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-04 10:43 -0700
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-04 10:20 -0700
Re: puppies David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-02 20:52 -0500
Re: puppies David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-09-02 20:21 -0600
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-02 20:41 -0700
Re: puppies leif.roar@dimnakorr.com - 2015-09-03 04:27 -0500
Re: puppies Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2015-09-03 18:17 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-03 07:30 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 09:26 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 09:25 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 11:44 -0700
Re: puppies David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-02 20:53 -0500
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 09:26 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-03 07:32 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 09:30 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-03 13:14 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 11:05 -0700
Re: puppies David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-03 20:06 -0500
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-02 15:41 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 13:52 -0700
Re: puppies leif.roar@dimnakorr.com - 2015-09-03 04:20 -0500
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 09:29 -0700
Re: puppies David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-03 20:02 -0500
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 09:07 -0700
Re: puppies David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-04 11:52 -0500
Re: puppies Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2015-09-04 10:14 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 10:55 -0700
Re: puppies "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-09-04 14:57 -0400
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-05 07:05 -0400
Re: puppies "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2015-08-29 00:09 +1000
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-28 10:32 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 09:03 -0700
Re: puppies "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2015-08-29 02:20 +1000
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 10:45 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 09:02 -0700
Re: puppies "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-28 14:02 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 11:10 -0700
Re: puppies Stephen Harker <sjharker@netspace.net.au> - 2015-08-29 08:00 +1000
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 15:25 -0700
Re: puppies "Kevin C." <kevin_c75@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-31 17:02 -0700
Re: puppies "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-31 20:23 -0400
Re: puppies "Kevin C." <kevin_c75@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-01 04:12 -0700
Re: puppies "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-09-01 14:05 -0400
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-01 23:28 -0400
Re: puppies "Kevin C." <kevin_c75@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-04 17:07 -0700
Re: puppies Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 19:20 -0500
Re: puppies jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2015-09-05 01:38 +0000
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 08:56 -0700
Re: puppies Konrad Gaertner <kgaertner@tx.rr.com> - 2015-09-04 20:15 -0500
Re: puppies "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-09-04 23:55 -0400
Re: puppies Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 23:32 -0500
Re: puppies Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2015-09-05 10:39 -0700
Re: puppies "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-09-06 10:05 -0400
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-05 06:49 -0400
Re: puppies Mart van de Wege <mvdwege@gmail.com> - 2015-09-06 07:28 +0200
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 09:00 -0700
Re: puppies Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2015-08-31 19:30 -0500
Re: puppies "Kevin C." <kevin_c75@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-01 04:14 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-01 06:43 -0400
Re: puppies Konrad Gaertner <kgaertner@tx.rr.com> - 2015-09-01 14:08 -0500
Re: puppies "Kevin C." <kevin_c75@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-01 15:50 -0700
"Honey Badgers"? (was: puppies) wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-06 07:50 -0400
Re: "Honey Badgers"? (was: puppies) Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-06 06:20 -0700
Re: "Honey Badgers"? (was: puppies) wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-06 10:42 -0400
Re: "Honey Badgers"? (was: puppies) Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-09-06 09:11 -0600
Re: "Honey Badgers"? (was: puppies) Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-06 10:34 -0700
Re: "Honey Badgers"? (was: puppies) Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-09-06 12:48 -0700
Re: "Honey Badgers"? (was: puppies) nebusj-@-rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus) - 2015-09-07 04:24 +0000
Re: "Honey Badgers"? (was: puppies) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-07 11:25 -0400
Re: "Honey Badgers"? (was: puppies) Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2015-09-07 10:46 -0500
Re: "Honey Badgers"? "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2015-09-08 14:49 +1000
Re: "Honey Badgers"? lal_truckee <lal_truckee@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-07 11:43 -0700
Re: "Honey Badgers"? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-09-07 19:18 +0000
Re: "Honey Badgers"? (was: puppies) wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-07 15:34 -0400
Re: "Honey Badgers"? (was: puppies) Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-08 05:16 -0700
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