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| Subject | Re: puppies |
| From | Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> |
| References | (13 earlier) <f8752e4a-86c5-4e2d-bee8-bbb35654bcec@googlegroups.com> <XnsA501621DCDCD7taustingmail@69.16.179.42> <mrio9d$ql1$1@dont-email.me> <XnsA501A34761BEAtaustingmail@69.16.179.43> <mrj8g7$7ks$1@dont-email.me> |
| Message-ID | <XnsA5025FD8E7DDtaustingmail@69.16.179.43> (permalink) |
| Organization | Forte - www.forteinc.com |
| Date | 2015-08-26 09:25 -0700 |
"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote in
news:mrj8g7$7ks$1@dont-email.me:
> On 8/25/15 7:03 PM, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
>> "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote in
>> news:mrio9d$ql1$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> On 8/25/15 12:38 PM, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
>>>> petertrei@gmail.com wrote in
>>>> news:f8752e4a-86c5-4e2d-bee8-bbb35654bcec@googlegroups.com:
>>>>
>>>>> I'd really like to see Torgersen repudiate Beale, but it
>>>>> hasn't happened yet.
>>>>>
>>>> Indeed. Though perhaps "denounce" would be a better idea. If
>>>> he did, he would gain considerable credibility for his stated
>>>> cause. Of course, that would require that his stated cause be
>>>> his actual cause, and so far, it's not at all clear that's
>>>> the case.
>>>>
>>>> If he doesn't repudiate Beale, he'll be taken as endorsing
>>>> him.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It'd also help if they actually had a clearly stated
>>> cause rather than
>>> a sort of potpourri of vague accusations and handwaving. They
>>> couldn't be consistent about what they wanted,
>>
>> There's no consistency between wingnuts, but Torgensen was
>> pretty consisten and moderatly conherent in his agenda.
>>
>>> and in the few
>>> instances I thought I saw a consistent message, what they DID
>>> was in opposition to what they CLAIMED.
>>
>> Again, there's wide variation between different wingnuts, but I
>> find it hard to argue with your point.
>>>
>>> And if they REALLY wanted to fix the Hugos, they chose
>>> pretty much the
>>> worst possible way to try to do it. At least Vox Day became
>>> up-front about his intentions being to just piss all over the
>>> Hugos; the Puppies were mostly avoiding such claims, but the
>>> way they approached it seemed only likely to produce the
>>> result that it did.
>>>
>> No, they accomplished exactly what they intended to do. They
>> predicted that the insiders who run the Hugos
>
>
> There aren't any.
But they made it look like there are. And perception is what
counts. The reality is irrelevant, if nobody believes it.
>
> There's the Worldcon fans, and people sympathetic to them,
> but to
> portray them as "insiders" implies a small group. The puppies,
> put together, were about a thousand. They were smacked down by
> about three times that many people, implying that their claims
> to represent a larger population is at best questionable and at
> worst laughable.
25% is a big enough majority that they should be given some
consideration. "Tyranny of the majority" isn't a good thing.
>
> Had I voted, I'd have done the same as most of them. They
> weren't
> voting against the puppies' WORKs, they were voting against them
> being assholes and forcing their way onto the ballot in a
> technically legal but obviously wrongheaded manner.
Which is to say, you agree that the Puppies were _correct_ when
they predicted that voting would not be based on the quality of the
writing, and you apparently agree that it shouldn't be.
You made their point.
> The vote
> said "WE DO NOT LIKE YOUR TACTICS". The "and your books suck"
> was a distant, distant second or third. And their books DID
> suck; they didn't pick anything like their best possible choices
> even given their ostensible preferences.
>
> If they REALLY wanted to change the Hugos? They should have
> done what
> ANYONE does if they want to change the opinion of a
> long-established organization: Join it, become part of it, and
> take your time becoming accepted. Yes, that would take years.
> Tough, Worldcon and its fandom have been around for decades.
> It's changed over those years, but never on fast timescales.
Except that's not, in any way, part of the Hugo process. The
process is, "pay your $40 and you get to nominate and vote." They
very carefully followed the rules, and as they predicted, they were
excluded, not because of the quality of the works nominated (which
many publicly vowed not to read), but because they were outsiders,
and the elite in charge don't like outsiders who won't suck up
properly.
Again, you make their point.
>
> Instead, they decided there was some diabolical cabal
> running things
> and they were going to beat on them with a hammer, and instead
> found that Worldcon's got a lot more fans than they do who are
> willing to actually vote.
>
They said that the people involved in the Hugos didn't believe in
the rules, and they were right and you have agreed. They said
they'd be excluded from the awards, not because of the quality of
the works, but because of exclusion politics of the community, and
they were right, and you have agreed. They said the Hugos have
nothing to do with the quality of the writing, and they were right,
and you have agreed.
--
Terry Austin
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-13 10:40 -0700
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-27 10:12 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 10:39 -0700
Re: puppies "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-08-27 19:09 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 08:47 -0700
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Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 10:54 -0700
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Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 13:06 -0700
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Re: puppies Wolffan <AKWolffan@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 05:21 -0400
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-27 11:06 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 09:30 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-27 13:41 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 10:53 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-27 21:26 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 09:00 -0700
Re: puppies Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com> - 2015-08-28 15:12 +0000
Re: puppies David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-08-28 09:26 -0600
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 09:11 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-28 12:19 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 10:44 -0700
Re: puppies David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-28 22:56 -0500
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 09:19 -0700
Re: puppies "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-09-01 13:43 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 11:16 -0700
Re: puppies Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-09-01 16:39 -0600
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 16:08 -0700
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-01 17:42 -0700
Re: puppies "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 20:52 -0400
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-02 08:26 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 08:13 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-01 23:26 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 08:14 -0700
Re: puppies petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-09-02 08:36 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 10:18 -0700
Re: puppies petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-09-02 10:38 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 11:42 -0700
Re: puppies scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-09-02 18:35 +0000
Re: puppies David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-09-02 12:38 -0600
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 11:45 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-02 15:46 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 13:53 -0700
Re: puppies David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-09-02 15:04 -0600
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-02 14:19 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 14:22 -0700
Re: puppies leif.roar@dimnakorr.com - 2015-09-03 02:55 -0500
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-03 05:23 -0700
Re: puppies petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-09-03 06:28 -0700
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-03 07:44 -0700
Re: puppies Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-09-03 09:10 -0700
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-03 09:33 -0700
Re: puppies David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-09-03 10:59 -0600
Re: puppies jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2015-09-03 17:46 +0000
Re: puppies petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-09-03 11:05 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 11:09 -0700
Re: puppies petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-09-03 11:24 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 11:39 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-03 17:37 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 15:21 -0700
Re: puppies Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 18:48 -0500
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 16:51 -0700
Re: puppies Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2015-09-03 18:19 -0700
Re: puppies jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2015-09-03 19:14 +0000
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 13:05 -0700
Re: puppies petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-09-03 13:08 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 13:19 -0700
Re: puppies jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2015-09-04 14:57 +0000
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 11:06 -0700
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-03 11:40 -0700
Re: puppies Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-09-03 15:13 -0400
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-03 12:54 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-03 17:41 -0400
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-03 19:29 -0700
Re: puppies Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2015-09-03 20:53 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 09:12 -0700
Re: puppies Konrad Gaertner <kgaertner@tx.rr.com> - 2015-09-04 13:48 -0500
Re: puppies Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-09-04 15:09 -0400
Re: puppies "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-09-04 21:16 +0100
Re: puppies Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2015-09-04 13:29 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 13:44 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-05 06:40 -0400
Re: puppies Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2015-09-05 11:45 -0700
Re: puppies goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2015-09-05 00:30 +0000
Re: puppies Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 20:01 -0500
Re: puppies Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-09-05 01:43 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 09:02 -0700
Re: puppies "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-09-08 15:02 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 12:55 -0700
Re: puppies hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2015-09-13 07:22 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-13 10:42 -0700
Re: puppies Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-09-13 11:46 -0600
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-13 14:02 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-13 22:18 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-13 22:13 -0700
Re: puppies "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-09-13 16:25 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-13 22:20 -0700
Re: puppies "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-09-06 21:42 -0400
Re: puppies Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2015-09-04 12:39 -0700
Re: puppies "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-09-04 23:58 -0400
Re: puppies Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2015-09-05 11:31 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 09:03 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 09:10 -0700
Re: puppies scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-09-04 16:19 +0000
Re: puppies David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-09-04 10:24 -0600
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 09:44 -0700
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-04 10:43 -0700
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-04 10:20 -0700
Re: puppies David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-02 20:52 -0500
Re: puppies David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-09-02 20:21 -0600
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-02 20:41 -0700
Re: puppies leif.roar@dimnakorr.com - 2015-09-03 04:27 -0500
Re: puppies Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2015-09-03 18:17 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-03 07:30 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 09:26 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 09:25 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 11:44 -0700
Re: puppies David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-02 20:53 -0500
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 09:26 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-03 07:32 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 09:30 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-03 13:14 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 11:05 -0700
Re: puppies David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-03 20:06 -0500
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-02 15:41 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 13:52 -0700
Re: puppies leif.roar@dimnakorr.com - 2015-09-03 04:20 -0500
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 09:29 -0700
Re: puppies David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-03 20:02 -0500
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 09:07 -0700
Re: puppies David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-04 11:52 -0500
Re: puppies Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2015-09-04 10:14 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 10:55 -0700
Re: puppies "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-09-04 14:57 -0400
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-05 07:05 -0400
Re: puppies "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2015-08-29 00:09 +1000
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-28 10:32 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 09:03 -0700
Re: puppies "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2015-08-29 02:20 +1000
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 10:45 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 09:02 -0700
Re: puppies "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-28 14:02 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 11:10 -0700
Re: puppies Stephen Harker <sjharker@netspace.net.au> - 2015-08-29 08:00 +1000
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 15:25 -0700
Re: puppies "Kevin C." <kevin_c75@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-31 17:02 -0700
Re: puppies "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-31 20:23 -0400
Re: puppies "Kevin C." <kevin_c75@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-01 04:12 -0700
Re: puppies "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-09-01 14:05 -0400
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-01 23:28 -0400
Re: puppies "Kevin C." <kevin_c75@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-04 17:07 -0700
Re: puppies Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 19:20 -0500
Re: puppies jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2015-09-05 01:38 +0000
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 08:56 -0700
Re: puppies Konrad Gaertner <kgaertner@tx.rr.com> - 2015-09-04 20:15 -0500
Re: puppies "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-09-04 23:55 -0400
Re: puppies Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 23:32 -0500
Re: puppies Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2015-09-05 10:39 -0700
Re: puppies "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-09-06 10:05 -0400
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-05 06:49 -0400
Re: puppies Mart van de Wege <mvdwege@gmail.com> - 2015-09-06 07:28 +0200
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 09:00 -0700
Re: puppies Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2015-08-31 19:30 -0500
Re: puppies "Kevin C." <kevin_c75@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-01 04:14 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-01 06:43 -0400
Re: puppies Konrad Gaertner <kgaertner@tx.rr.com> - 2015-09-01 14:08 -0500
Re: puppies "Kevin C." <kevin_c75@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-01 15:50 -0700
"Honey Badgers"? (was: puppies) wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-06 07:50 -0400
Re: "Honey Badgers"? (was: puppies) Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-06 06:20 -0700
Re: "Honey Badgers"? (was: puppies) wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-06 10:42 -0400
Re: "Honey Badgers"? (was: puppies) Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-09-06 09:11 -0600
Re: "Honey Badgers"? (was: puppies) Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-06 10:34 -0700
Re: "Honey Badgers"? (was: puppies) Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-09-06 12:48 -0700
Re: "Honey Badgers"? (was: puppies) nebusj-@-rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus) - 2015-09-07 04:24 +0000
Re: "Honey Badgers"? (was: puppies) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-07 11:25 -0400
Re: "Honey Badgers"? (was: puppies) Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2015-09-07 10:46 -0500
Re: "Honey Badgers"? "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2015-09-08 14:49 +1000
Re: "Honey Badgers"? lal_truckee <lal_truckee@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-07 11:43 -0700
Re: "Honey Badgers"? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-09-07 19:18 +0000
Re: "Honey Badgers"? (was: puppies) wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-07 15:34 -0400
Re: "Honey Badgers"? (was: puppies) Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-08 05:16 -0700
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