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| Subject | Re: puppies |
| From | Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> |
| References | (2 earlier) <mrdk1c$pbc$1@dont-email.me> <XnsA5005F13D20DAtaustingmail@69.16.179.43> <mrfoqc$o92$1@dont-email.me> <XnsA5007B6587EAtaustingmail@69.16.179.43> <mrfsk9$99v$1@dont-email.me> |
| Message-ID | <XnsA50092848E7Etaustingmail@69.16.179.42> (permalink) |
| Organization | Forte - www.forteinc.com |
| Date | 2015-08-24 14:24 -0700 |
Magewolf <Magewolf@nc.rr.com> wrote in
news:mrfsk9$99v$1@dont-email.me:
> On 8/24/2015 3:07 PM, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
>> Magewolf <Magewolf@nc.rr.com> wrote in
>> news:mrfoqc$o92$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> On 8/24/2015 12:20 PM, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
>>>> "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote
>>>> in news:mrdk1c$pbc$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/23/15 6:53 PM, David Goldfarb wrote:
>>>>>> In article <mrd7n3$7e7$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>> lal_truckee <lal_truckee@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I see reports that puppies did not fare well in Hugo
>>>>>>> balloting. True or no?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> An understatement. They got SPANKED.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> They are interpreting it as "The Cabal chose to burn
>>>>> down the house
>>>>> rather than allow anyone else in", though, so it's not as
>>>>> though they feel anything other than victory.
>>>>
>>>> If their goal was to garner rockets (it wasn't), they got
>>>> spanked. If their goal was to provoke the perceived librul
>>>> conspriacy cabal in to burning their own house down (it was),
>>>> they succeeded brilliantly.
>>>>
>>>> I don't get why anything thought they were trying to win
>>>> awards.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps I just understand the troll mentality better than
>>>> most.
>>>>
>>> Really there only two groups of people hurt by this.
>>
>> for small enough values of "hurt." The Hugos don't matter, and
>> haven't for a logn time.
>>
>>> The ones
>>> who would have won Hugo's in a fair year. Now I am sad for
>>> them but not winning a Hugo will not kill them and most of
>>> them will have chances to win another Hugo in the future. And
>>> the leaders of the puppies who have put out reams of words to
>>> no purpose but to show just how crazy they are.
>>
>> You assume it's over, and there will be no fallout next year.
>> Which is possible, but they're certainly going to try. They
>> predicted this, as a form lf "burning your own house down to
>> keep from having to be more inclusive," and that's ammunition.
>> Be interesting to see if the reasonable sounding ones can
>> overcome the foaming at the mouth wingnuts on the PR front.
>> Interesting in a "God, you people are fucking wingnuts on
>> *both* sides" sort of way.
>>>
>>> But the Hugo's are fine and will still be fine when no one
>>> remembers V.D. or his puppets names.
>>>
>> For values of "fine" that start and end with "who cares, the
>> Hugos haven't mattered in years," I suppose.
>>
> No, I think the puppies have at least one more year in them. The
> rabids will have enough votes in next years nominations to swamp
> them again but after that the best they will be able to do is
> maybe get one nomination per category.
>
> But the real story will be the sads. They had been talking about
> how losing was winning for them for a while but from the way
> Hoyt and Torgersen are melting down after the awards I think
> they had actually drank the kool aid and really believed the
> lurkers were supporting them in email. So they can either face
> reality or double down on the paranoia and conspiracy theories.
>
> I am betting on the double down, since Hoyt has already
> accused the
> Worldcon with cooking the numbers for the Hugos and Torgersen
> has started editing comments he does not like on his blog. There
> is supposed to be new management next year but Hoyt has already
> put herself forward to run things.
>
> But what about the rank and file puppies? Will they double down
> as well or will they find better things to do with their time
> and money. Since they have completely failed to have any real
> effect on anything and show no sign of being able to do anything
> in the future.So I do not know if they will able to hold
> themselves together or if they will bleed off all but the most
> hard core which would make them even more of a footnote to the
> rabids.
>
Like Pete, you fail to distinguish between the two camps of
Puppies. That is an error on your part, since they have dinstictly
different agendas. And it's about the worst error you could make
that wouldn't involve prison sentences, since it gives considerable
credibility to the less crazy camp.
The danger isn't that the Puppies' supporters will grow enough to
control the awards. The danger is that they will gain enough
credibility _from your[1] statemens to draw in a significant number
of mainstream readers, at which point it is likely that _both_ (or,
rather, all three) sides will lose.
I don't expect it, but I gotta tell you, if the anti-Puppy crowd
were deliberately trying to make that happen, they couldn't do a
better job. They *act* like a conspiracy - there were far too many
public blogs, with a lot of readers, saying "I'm voting against
these without even reading them, and therefore, I admit publicly
that the awards aren't about the quality of the writing - and you
should do the same" to dismiss the claims as paranoid out of hand.
Every time you resort to namecalling and pretending there's no
points on the other side, you fuel the propaganda on the side.
[1]Generic, "we hate Puppies," generic, not your personally. You
don't matter enough for them to score that kind of points off of.
--
Terry Austin
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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Re: puppies goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2015-08-23 22:53 +0000
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Re: puppies goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2015-08-24 03:08 +0000
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Re: puppies Magewolf <Magewolf@nc.rr.com> - 2015-08-24 15:53 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 14:24 -0700
Re: puppies Magewolf <Magewolf@nc.rr.com> - 2015-08-24 19:13 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 16:36 -0700
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Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 16:54 -0700
Re: puppies Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-08-24 20:20 -0400
Re: puppies goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2015-08-25 05:31 +0000
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-25 09:01 -0700
Re: puppies Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-08-25 12:15 -0400
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Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-25 09:38 -0700
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Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-25 16:03 -0700
Re: puppies lal_truckee <lal_truckee@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-25 16:32 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 09:13 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-25 20:28 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 09:16 -0700
Re: puppies "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-08-25 22:34 -0400
Re: puppies "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-08-25 22:40 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 09:27 -0700
Re: puppies "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-08-26 20:46 -0400
Re: puppies Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 20:41 -0500
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Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-27 13:23 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 10:43 -0700
Re: puppies David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-08-27 11:56 -0600
Re: puppies "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-27 16:37 -0400
Re: puppies "John F. Eldredge" <john@jfeldredge.com> - 2015-09-28 03:08 +0000
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Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-27 22:34 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-27 22:33 -0700
Re: puppies Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-28 09:15 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 10:42 -0700
Re: puppies Stephen Graham <graham1@speakeasy.net> - 2015-08-26 16:39 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-26 00:24 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 09:25 -0700
Re: puppies Erik Trulsson <erikt@Update.UU.SE> - 2015-08-27 10:50 +0000
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 09:26 -0700
Re: puppies "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-08-27 19:11 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 08:49 -0700
Re: puppies "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-28 13:45 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 10:52 -0700
Re: puppies "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-28 14:09 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 11:13 -0700
Re: puppies Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2015-08-30 03:36 +0000
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Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 09:14 -0700
Re: puppies Torbjorn Lindgren <tl@none.invalid> - 2015-08-26 23:50 +0000
Re: puppies "Robert A. Woodward" <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2015-08-26 22:04 -0700
Re: puppies Catherine Jefferson <spamtrap@spambouncer.org> - 2015-08-26 22:25 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 09:16 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-27 08:00 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 09:17 -0700
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-27 05:03 -0700
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-27 05:09 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 09:18 -0700
Re: puppies Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> - 2015-08-27 11:59 -0500
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 10:38 -0700
Re: puppies jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2015-08-28 17:49 +0000
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 10:53 -0700
Re: puppies hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2015-09-13 05:52 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-13 10:40 -0700
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-27 10:12 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 10:39 -0700
Re: puppies "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-08-27 19:09 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 08:47 -0700
Re: puppies David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-08-27 11:52 -0600
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 10:54 -0700
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-27 12:18 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 13:06 -0700
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-27 13:41 -0700
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-27 13:48 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 13:56 -0700
Re: puppies Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-08-27 14:21 -0700
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-27 14:30 -0700
Re: puppies petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-08-27 15:11 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 15:39 -0700
Re: puppies Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-08-27 16:43 -0700
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-27 17:50 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 13:55 -0700
Re: puppies "John F. Eldredge" <john@jfeldredge.com> - 2015-09-26 17:40 +0000
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-27 13:54 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-27 20:29 -0400
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-28 04:49 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-28 09:12 -0400
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-28 08:19 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-28 14:35 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-28 11:55 -0700
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-28 15:35 -0700
Re: puppies Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-09-30 01:35 -0700
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-30 05:19 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-30 08:55 -0700
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-30 13:48 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-30 14:12 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-30 18:49 -0400
Re: puppies Konrad Gaertner <kgaertner@tx.rr.com> - 2015-09-30 17:56 -0500
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-10-01 08:15 -0400
Re: puppies Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-10-01 05:45 -0700
Re: puppies William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2015-10-01 11:56 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-28 18:46 -0400
Re: puppies petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-09-28 07:26 -0700
Re: puppies Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-28 09:32 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-28 20:42 -0400
Re: puppies Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-08-28 23:10 -0700
Re: puppies "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-29 15:16 -0400
Re: puppies Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-29 06:21 -0700
Re: puppies Joe Bernstein <joe@sfbooks.com> - 2015-09-01 10:05 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 09:16 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-27 13:38 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 10:51 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-27 21:23 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 08:55 -0700
Re: puppies jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2015-08-28 17:44 +0000
Re: puppies Torbjorn Lindgren <tl@invalid.none> - 2015-08-30 23:10 +0000
Re: puppies goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2015-08-31 07:44 +0000
Re: puppies jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2015-08-31 14:04 +0000
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-01 06:45 -0400
Re: puppies jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2015-09-01 17:10 +0000
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Re: puppies David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-09-01 12:19 -0600
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-01 23:24 -0400
Re: puppies goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2015-08-29 08:12 +0000
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Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-27 13:39 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 10:52 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-27 21:25 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 08:59 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-24 22:24 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-25 09:02 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-25 20:30 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 09:18 -0700
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Re: puppies jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2015-08-28 17:38 +0000
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-24 19:03 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 16:32 -0700
Re: puppies Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-08-23 16:31 -0700
Re: puppies Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> - 2015-08-24 17:50 -0600
Re: puppies Wolffan <AKWolffan@gmail.com> - 2015-08-23 21:49 -0400
Re: puppies Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2015-08-23 22:17 -0500
Re: puppies Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-24 02:44 -0600
Re: puppies Wolffan <AKWolffan@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 05:21 -0400
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-27 11:06 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 09:30 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-27 13:41 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 10:53 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-27 21:26 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 09:00 -0700
Re: puppies Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com> - 2015-08-28 15:12 +0000
Re: puppies David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-08-28 09:26 -0600
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 09:11 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-28 12:19 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 10:44 -0700
Re: puppies David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-28 22:56 -0500
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 09:19 -0700
Re: puppies "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-09-01 13:43 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 11:16 -0700
Re: puppies Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-09-01 16:39 -0600
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 16:08 -0700
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-01 17:42 -0700
Re: puppies "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 20:52 -0400
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-02 08:26 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 08:13 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-01 23:26 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 08:14 -0700
Re: puppies petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-09-02 08:36 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 10:18 -0700
Re: puppies petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-09-02 10:38 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 11:42 -0700
Re: puppies scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-09-02 18:35 +0000
Re: puppies David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-09-02 12:38 -0600
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 11:45 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-02 15:46 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 13:53 -0700
Re: puppies David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-09-02 15:04 -0600
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-02 14:19 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 14:22 -0700
Re: puppies leif.roar@dimnakorr.com - 2015-09-03 02:55 -0500
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-03 05:23 -0700
Re: puppies petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-09-03 06:28 -0700
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-03 07:44 -0700
Re: puppies Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-09-03 09:10 -0700
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-03 09:33 -0700
Re: puppies David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-09-03 10:59 -0600
Re: puppies jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2015-09-03 17:46 +0000
Re: puppies petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-09-03 11:05 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 11:09 -0700
Re: puppies petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-09-03 11:24 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 11:39 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-03 17:37 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 15:21 -0700
Re: puppies Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 18:48 -0500
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 16:51 -0700
Re: puppies Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2015-09-03 18:19 -0700
Re: puppies jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2015-09-03 19:14 +0000
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 13:05 -0700
Re: puppies petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-09-03 13:08 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 13:19 -0700
Re: puppies jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2015-09-04 14:57 +0000
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 11:06 -0700
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-03 11:40 -0700
Re: puppies Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-09-03 15:13 -0400
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-03 12:54 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-03 17:41 -0400
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-03 19:29 -0700
Re: puppies Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2015-09-03 20:53 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 09:12 -0700
Re: puppies Konrad Gaertner <kgaertner@tx.rr.com> - 2015-09-04 13:48 -0500
Re: puppies Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-09-04 15:09 -0400
Re: puppies "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-09-04 21:16 +0100
Re: puppies Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2015-09-04 13:29 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 13:44 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-05 06:40 -0400
Re: puppies Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2015-09-05 11:45 -0700
Re: puppies goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2015-09-05 00:30 +0000
Re: puppies Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 20:01 -0500
Re: puppies Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-09-05 01:43 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 09:02 -0700
Re: puppies "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-09-08 15:02 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 12:55 -0700
Re: puppies hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2015-09-13 07:22 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-13 10:42 -0700
Re: puppies Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-09-13 11:46 -0600
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-13 14:02 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-13 22:18 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-13 22:13 -0700
Re: puppies "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-09-13 16:25 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-13 22:20 -0700
Re: puppies "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-09-06 21:42 -0400
Re: puppies Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2015-09-04 12:39 -0700
Re: puppies "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-09-04 23:58 -0400
Re: puppies Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2015-09-05 11:31 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 09:03 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 09:10 -0700
Re: puppies scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-09-04 16:19 +0000
Re: puppies David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-09-04 10:24 -0600
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 09:44 -0700
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-04 10:43 -0700
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-04 10:20 -0700
Re: puppies David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-02 20:52 -0500
Re: puppies David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-09-02 20:21 -0600
Re: puppies Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-02 20:41 -0700
Re: puppies leif.roar@dimnakorr.com - 2015-09-03 04:27 -0500
Re: puppies Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2015-09-03 18:17 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-03 07:30 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 09:26 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 09:25 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 11:44 -0700
Re: puppies David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-02 20:53 -0500
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 09:26 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-03 07:32 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 09:30 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-03 13:14 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 11:05 -0700
Re: puppies David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-03 20:06 -0500
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-02 15:41 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 13:52 -0700
Re: puppies leif.roar@dimnakorr.com - 2015-09-03 04:20 -0500
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 09:29 -0700
Re: puppies David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-03 20:02 -0500
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 09:07 -0700
Re: puppies David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-04 11:52 -0500
Re: puppies Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2015-09-04 10:14 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 10:55 -0700
Re: puppies "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-09-04 14:57 -0400
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-05 07:05 -0400
Re: puppies "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2015-08-29 00:09 +1000
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-28 10:32 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 09:03 -0700
Re: puppies "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2015-08-29 02:20 +1000
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 10:45 -0700
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 09:02 -0700
Re: puppies "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-28 14:02 -0400
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 11:10 -0700
Re: puppies Stephen Harker <sjharker@netspace.net.au> - 2015-08-29 08:00 +1000
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 15:25 -0700
Re: puppies "Kevin C." <kevin_c75@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-31 17:02 -0700
Re: puppies "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-31 20:23 -0400
Re: puppies "Kevin C." <kevin_c75@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-01 04:12 -0700
Re: puppies "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-09-01 14:05 -0400
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-01 23:28 -0400
Re: puppies "Kevin C." <kevin_c75@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-04 17:07 -0700
Re: puppies Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 19:20 -0500
Re: puppies jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2015-09-05 01:38 +0000
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 08:56 -0700
Re: puppies Konrad Gaertner <kgaertner@tx.rr.com> - 2015-09-04 20:15 -0500
Re: puppies "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-09-04 23:55 -0400
Re: puppies Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 23:32 -0500
Re: puppies Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2015-09-05 10:39 -0700
Re: puppies "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-09-06 10:05 -0400
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-05 06:49 -0400
Re: puppies Mart van de Wege <mvdwege@gmail.com> - 2015-09-06 07:28 +0200
Re: puppies Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 09:00 -0700
Re: puppies Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2015-08-31 19:30 -0500
Re: puppies "Kevin C." <kevin_c75@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-01 04:14 -0700
Re: puppies wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-01 06:43 -0400
Re: puppies Konrad Gaertner <kgaertner@tx.rr.com> - 2015-09-01 14:08 -0500
Re: puppies "Kevin C." <kevin_c75@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-01 15:50 -0700
"Honey Badgers"? (was: puppies) wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-06 07:50 -0400
Re: "Honey Badgers"? (was: puppies) Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-06 06:20 -0700
Re: "Honey Badgers"? (was: puppies) wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-06 10:42 -0400
Re: "Honey Badgers"? (was: puppies) Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-09-06 09:11 -0600
Re: "Honey Badgers"? (was: puppies) Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-06 10:34 -0700
Re: "Honey Badgers"? (was: puppies) Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-09-06 12:48 -0700
Re: "Honey Badgers"? (was: puppies) nebusj-@-rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus) - 2015-09-07 04:24 +0000
Re: "Honey Badgers"? (was: puppies) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-07 11:25 -0400
Re: "Honey Badgers"? (was: puppies) Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2015-09-07 10:46 -0500
Re: "Honey Badgers"? "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2015-09-08 14:49 +1000
Re: "Honey Badgers"? lal_truckee <lal_truckee@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-07 11:43 -0700
Re: "Honey Badgers"? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-09-07 19:18 +0000
Re: "Honey Badgers"? (was: puppies) wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-07 15:34 -0400
Re: "Honey Badgers"? (was: puppies) Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-08 05:16 -0700
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