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Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference.

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On 09/08/2018 21:28, mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 1:26:37 PM UTC-7, Keith Stein wrote:
>> On 09/08/2018 20:42, Gary Harnagel wrote:
>>> On Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 1:25:40 PM UTC-6, Keith Stein wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 08/08/2018 00:00, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> In a frame in which the box is moving the photons spend more time
>>>>> travelling towards the front of the box than they do travelling towards
>>>>> the back of the box, because the distance from the back to the front is
>>>>> longer than then distance from the front to the back.
>>>>>
>>>>> So the averages work out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you Sylvia. Surprisingly you were the only one who pointed that
>>>> out, and i do agree that that is indeed the correct explanation - for
>>>> an SR believer eh!
>>>>
>>>> For myself, I can't help but believe that when one walks towards the box
>>>> the photons are in no way affected and they still spend exactly equal
>>>> time traveling to the right as they do to the left, but i do agree with
>>>> you that in Einstein's crazy SR world what you say is indeed the correct
>>>> explanation, so once again, thank you.
>>>>
>>>> keith stein
>>>
>>> By the Principle of Relativity, translation to the frame in which the box
>>> is stationary REQUIRES that situation is identical to the original frame.
>>> So you have TWO strikes against you:  Postulate #1 (all inertial frames
>>> are the same) AND Postulate #2 (speed of light is invariant).  Note that
>>> denying Postulate #1 also denies the Galilean Transform.
>>
>>
>> Let me quote that part of what Sylvia says with which i do agree:
>> "In a frame in which the box is moving ..... the distance from the back
>> to the front is longer than then distance from the front to the back."
>> Do you not agree with that Gary ?
>>
>> keith stein
> 
> The only information a light wave contains is its quantity of its energy.
> Mitchell Raemsch
> 
Not to mention,phase,type of polarization (if any), and frequency,
since for a WAVE energy is related to amplitude, not frequency eh!
(i suspect you are thinking of photons rather than waves Mitchell)

keith stein

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