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Re: is copyleft packaging bad for Debian?

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On Wednesday, February 4, 2026 2:38:13 AM Mountain Standard Time Guillem Jover 
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> It feels like problems with for example weak/team maintainership always
> get obviated in this kind of commentary. Such as, it shifting
> disagreement from maintainer vs user to internal team strife *and*
> team vs user, it substantially increasing communication and consensus
> overhead, both of which can very easily either cause "edit wars" or
> "paralysis by lack of consensus", or feelings of rudeness or unease
> when one internal faction plows ahead regardless of consensus. It
> might make maintainers have to work closer than desired with people
> they'd rather keep at a distance with, besides the minimum required,
> say via bug reports or whatever else. It makes having a coherent vision
> of how the package is being maintained harder to understand from outside,
> both from upstream and within the project. It makes it harder to invest
> in deep understanding of how the upstream code works. It makes it harder
> to have a reliable and clear contact point of interest from outside and
> within the project. It makes it harder to have a long-standing
> relationship with upstream and knowing/understanding each other's quirks,
> requirements, preferences or disagreements. It makes unmaintained packages
> more difficult to track, it makes inactive teams more difficult to deal
> with and detect. It makes trying and experimenting with different packaging
> styles or techniques harder, because one has to justify diverting from
> any team practices, for something that might well be a dead end. People
> feel way less responsible for packages, as supposedly "someone else in
> the team can take care of it". Etc.
>
> . . . 
> 
> A weak ownership team is not inherently a better way to maintain
> packages, and I'd not like to see this reductionist maintainership view
> keep being pushed across the project.

I agree with the above.  There are pros and cons to both strong and weak 
maintainership models.  Neither one guarantees that a packages will be well 
maintained, but there are good examples of packages being well maintained 
under both models.

I prefer a strong maintainership model as long as the maintainer is doing a 
good job.  Personally, I prefer to have at least one co-maintainer where we 
communicate well, are both on the same page as to how to handle the package, 
and both have a relationship with upstream.  All of the complaints against a 
strong maintainership model have to do with the maintainer not doing a good 
job.  Usually that is through inactivity, but occasionally it is through 
active participation in negative ways.

-- 
Soren Stoutner
soren@debian.org

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  Re: is copyleft packaging bad for Debian? Matthias Geiger <werdahias@riseup.net> - 2026-01-30 17:40 +0100
    Re: is copyleft packaging bad for Debian? Martin <debacle@debian.org> - 2026-01-31 12:30 +0100
  Re: is copyleft packaging bad for Debian? Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2026-01-30 17:40 +0100
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          Re: is copyleft packaging bad for Debian? "Andrea Pappacoda" <andrea@pappacoda.it> - 2026-02-03 15:10 +0100
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