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In article <gu4albhv04d09hle87c1jkegcdgbvs496l@4ax.com>, Attila
<?@here.now> writes
>On Mon, 6 Jun 2016 10:20:07 +1000, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> in
>alt.atheism with message-id <drjtthF33stU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>
>>On 06/06/2016 00:23, Attila wrote:
>>> On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 19:17:45 +1000, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> in
>>> alt.atheism with message-id <dri91jFn6ukU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 05/06/2016 18:15, Attila wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 11:46:50 +1000, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> in
>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <drhek5FigrfU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 04/06/2016 18:02, Attila wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 4 Jun 2016 10:44:46 +1000, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> in
>>>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <dremjoF1u1hU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 03/06/2016 18:57, Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 10:49:00 +1000, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> in
>>>>>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <drc2fsFgdo3U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I agree many of them should be eliminated but they must be earned by
>>>>>>>>>>> the companies involved and at least the companies are generating
>>>>>>>>>>> revenue and providing jobs.  Welfare payments just disappear and the
>>>>>>>>>>> economy gains nothing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There is a whole sector of the economy that specialises in catering to
>>>>>>>>>> welfare recipients ... businesses that create jobs and pay taxes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There are sectors the cater to anything that has any amount of money,
>>>>>>>>> including drugs.  That does not justify supporting an illegal
>>>>>>>>> activity.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Welfare is illegal?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Drugs are.  Welfare should just be heavily cut back.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cut back to what?
>>>>>
>>>>> Close to zero.
>>>>
>>>> In order to make that workable, you'd have to ensure that people do have
>>>> a chance to succeed.
>>>>
>>>> Right now, an American would have a better chance of fulfilling the
>>>> American Dream for himself and his family by emigrating to Europe.
>>>
>>> Then let him emigrate.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You already have one of the stingiest, meanest welfare systems in the
>>>>>> developed world.
>>>>>
>>>>> So what?  Look at the economies of those welfare states.
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking ... and hot damn, aren't Switzerland, Norway or Germany just
>>>> the worst hellholes!  Failed states, one and all!
>>>
>>> How about Greece? They aren't all paragons of economic virtue.  And
>>> there are many others just one step away from a meltdown due to their
>>> social policies.
>>
>>Social policies had little to nothing to do with the Greek meltdown or 
>>the severe problems experienced by most of Southern Europe.  Their 
>>issues were caused by years and decades of bad fiscal and taxation 
>>policies, compounded by a political system that was a particularly 
>>pernicious form of democracy known as "clientelism".
>>
>
>Social policies such as extended paid vacation and excessive minimum
>wages plus paid for medical care had a lot to do with it.

Not forgetting the fact that Greece was spending more and more on arms.
It spent 58% of its military expenditure on weaponry from Germany, being
Germany's largest arms customer. Greece also spent a fortune on arms
from France and the US.
And strangely, while insisting on 'austerity' in every other area of
Greek public spending, Germany and France were silent about military
spending.

-- 
John Ritson

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Re: Air America! Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-06-05 10:23 -0400
  Re: Air America! "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-06-06 10:20 +1000
    Re: Air America! Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-06-06 02:13 -0400
      Re: Air America! John Ritson <j.ritson@hotmail.co.uk> - 2016-06-06 10:32 +0100
        Re: Air America! Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-06 04:00 -0700
          Re: Air America! John Ritson <j.ritson@hotmail.co.uk> - 2016-06-06 15:53 +0100

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