Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list

From	<tomas@tuxteam.de>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list
Date	2025-06-28 13:20 +0200
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On Sat, Jun 28, 2025 at 11:52:33AM +0200, Stephan Seitz wrote:
> Am Sa, Jun 28, 2025 at 10:11:09 +0900 schrieb John Crawley:
> > > It is not the accepted meaning of the term.
> > > https://github.com/mjg59/jargon/blob/master/bounce
> > Mutt seems to have its own set of definitions which mutt users will need
> > to grasp.
> 
> I can assure you that mutt’s meaning of bounce is older than mutt.
> Elm used this word and feature long before.

I think I've tried to explain extensively. But I failed.

Originally, bounce meant "MTA doesn't know how to pass on this
message, so sending back to original sender". For reasons (also
explained in this thread), this has come out of fashion.

MUA "bounce" is not exactly the same (the user has a chance to
specify *which* address to send the bounce to, for one), but
technically so close (as much of the headers as possible remains
unchanged), that calling it a bounce does make sense.

So it is clear why Elm, Mutt and other civilised MUAs call it
this way.

But hey. That's my last attempt, since my loop detector is already
at 11 ;-)

Cheers
-- 
t

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ግěcůžላኣዝዩ mullerrogatien@gmail.com - 2025-06-24 09:40 +0200
  Re: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ 🦓 <czyborra@gmail.com> - 2025-06-24 11:50 +0200
    Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2025-06-24 12:10 +0200
      Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] Dan Hitt <dan.hitt@gmail.com> - 2025-06-25 01:40 +0200
        Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] Alain D D Williams <addw@phcomp.co.uk> - 2025-06-25 01:50 +0200
        Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2025-06-25 02:00 +0200
          Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] Dan Hitt <dan.hitt@gmail.com> - 2025-06-25 02:50 +0200
            Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2025-06-25 08:50 +0200
          Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was:  ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] Greg <curtyshoo@gmail.com> - 2025-06-25 17:20 +0200
            Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2025-06-25 18:10 +0200
              Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] John Crawley <john@bunsenlabs.org> - 2025-06-27 04:20 +0200
                Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2025-06-27 05:30 +0200
                Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] Alain D D Williams <addw@phcomp.co.uk> - 2025-06-27 05:50 +0200
                Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was:  ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] Greg <curtyshoo@gmail.com> - 2025-06-27 15:50 +0200
                Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2025-06-27 16:10 +0200
                Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list Greg <curtyshoo@gmail.com> - 2025-06-27 16:20 +0200
                Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2025-06-27 16:50 +0200
                Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2025-06-27 23:00 +0200
                Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2025-06-27 16:40 +0200
                Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list Alain D D Williams <addw@phcomp.co.uk> - 2025-06-27 16:50 +0200
                Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was:  ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] Greg <curtyshoo@gmail.com> - 2025-06-27 16:50 +0200
                Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2025-06-27 17:40 +0200
                Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2025-06-27 19:10 +0200
                Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] John Crawley <john@bunsenlabs.org> - 2025-06-28 03:20 +0200
                Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list Stephan Seitz <stse+debian@rootsland.net> - 2025-06-28 12:10 +0200
                Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2025-06-28 13:20 +0200
                Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2025-06-29 11:20 +0200
                Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2025-06-27 06:30 +0200
                Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] Thomas Dineen <tdineen2021@gmail.com> - 2025-06-27 08:50 +0200
                Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2025-06-27 09:20 +0200
                Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] John Crawley <john@bunsenlabs.org> - 2025-06-27 10:10 +0200
                Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2025-06-27 10:50 +0200
                Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] John Crawley <john@bunsenlabs.org> - 2025-06-28 03:10 +0200
                Using MUAs to bounce mail (was: Please, don't reply to spam ...) Ralph Aichinger <ra@h5.or.at> - 2025-06-29 12:30 +0200
                Re: Using MUAs to bounce mail (was: Please, don't reply to spam ...) Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2025-06-29 12:50 +0200
                Re: Using MUAs to bounce mail (was: Please, don't reply to spam ...) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2025-06-29 14:20 +0200
                Re: Using MUAs to bounce mail (was: Please, don't reply to spam ...) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2025-06-29 14:20 +0200
    Re: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ Sand <sand@cybert.me> - 2025-06-24 12:10 +0200
      Re: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ 🦓 <czyborra@gmail.com> - 2025-06-24 13:10 +0200
        Spam on this list, top-posting and things. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2025-06-24 13:40 +0200
        Re: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ Frank Weißer <linux@weisser-ol.de> - 2025-06-24 13:40 +0200
          Re: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ 🦓 <czyborra@gmail.com> - 2025-06-24 14:10 +0200
            [subject censored] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2025-06-24 14:20 +0200

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