Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]

From	Alain D D Williams <addw@phcomp.co.uk>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]
Date	2025-06-27 05:50 +0200
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On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 11:29:23PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 27, 2025 at 10:58:54 +0900, John Crawley wrote:
> > The Debian Wiki has these suggestions for how to deal with spam:
> > https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/ListMaster/ListArchiveSpam#nominate
> 
> The fourth option there says:
> 
>  * Use your mail client's bounce/resend/redirect functionality to send
>    the spam messages to report-listspam@lists.debian.org
> 
> > So it looks as if resending a spam message to report-listspam@lists.debian.org is OK, although "bouncing" the message back to the server is very much not, even if your MUA can do that.
> 
> I'm pretty sure the wiki says it's OK.  I cited it right up there.
> 
> To be clear, what we're talking about here is what mutt does when you
> press the "b" key.  It queues up a message for delivery, where the
> envelope recipient address is one that you specify by typing it in,
> and the entire message (header + body) is exactly what you received,
> with no modifications made by the MUA.

I have just tried this, re-sending the message to which I am replying to myself.
I do see some differences to the header, some of which will be my local MTA
(exim) but I think that those added by mutt are: Resent-From: Resent-Date:
Resent-Message-ID: Resent-To:  If Resent-From: the message might not be
delivered due to SPF issues.

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< Return-path: <bounce-debian-user=addw=phcomp.co.uk@lists.debian.org>
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> From addw@phcomp.co.uk Fri Jun 27 04:32:28 2025
> Return-path: <addw@phcomp.co.uk>
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< Delivery-date: Fri, 27 Jun 2025 04:30:24 +0100
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> Delivery-date: Fri, 27 Jun 2025 04:32:28 +0100
> Received: from addw by mint.phcomp.co.uk with local (Exim 4.96)
> 	(envelope-from <addw@phcomp.co.uk>)
> 	id 1uUzpD-00Ewy0-32
> 	for addw@phcomp.co.uk;
> 	Fri, 27 Jun 2025 04:32:28 +0100
> Resent-From: Alain D D Williams <addw@phcomp.co.uk>
> Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2025 04:32:27 +0100
> Resent-Message-ID: <aF4Qy7mLKAW3K8jw@phcomp.co.uk>
> Resent-To: Alain Williams <addw@phcomp.co.uk>
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< Delivered-To: lists-debian-user@bendel.debian.org
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< Status: RO


> Mutt calls this action "bounce", but I would not use the phrase "back
> to the server" to describe it.  It's more like a forwarding action,
> because you're passing the message along to a new recipient.
> 

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ግěcůžላኣዝዩ mullerrogatien@gmail.com - 2025-06-24 09:40 +0200
  Re: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ 🦓 <czyborra@gmail.com> - 2025-06-24 11:50 +0200
    Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2025-06-24 12:10 +0200
      Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] Dan Hitt <dan.hitt@gmail.com> - 2025-06-25 01:40 +0200
        Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] Alain D D Williams <addw@phcomp.co.uk> - 2025-06-25 01:50 +0200
        Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2025-06-25 02:00 +0200
          Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] Dan Hitt <dan.hitt@gmail.com> - 2025-06-25 02:50 +0200
            Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2025-06-25 08:50 +0200
          Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was:  ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] Greg <curtyshoo@gmail.com> - 2025-06-25 17:20 +0200
            Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2025-06-25 18:10 +0200
              Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] John Crawley <john@bunsenlabs.org> - 2025-06-27 04:20 +0200
                Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2025-06-27 05:30 +0200
                Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] Alain D D Williams <addw@phcomp.co.uk> - 2025-06-27 05:50 +0200
                Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was:  ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] Greg <curtyshoo@gmail.com> - 2025-06-27 15:50 +0200
                Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2025-06-27 16:10 +0200
                Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list Greg <curtyshoo@gmail.com> - 2025-06-27 16:20 +0200
                Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2025-06-27 16:50 +0200
                Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2025-06-27 23:00 +0200
                Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2025-06-27 16:40 +0200
                Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list Alain D D Williams <addw@phcomp.co.uk> - 2025-06-27 16:50 +0200
                Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was:  ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] Greg <curtyshoo@gmail.com> - 2025-06-27 16:50 +0200
                Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2025-06-27 17:40 +0200
                Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2025-06-27 19:10 +0200
                Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] John Crawley <john@bunsenlabs.org> - 2025-06-28 03:20 +0200
                Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list Stephan Seitz <stse+debian@rootsland.net> - 2025-06-28 12:10 +0200
                Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2025-06-28 13:20 +0200
                Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2025-06-29 11:20 +0200
                Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2025-06-27 06:30 +0200
                Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] Thomas Dineen <tdineen2021@gmail.com> - 2025-06-27 08:50 +0200
                Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2025-06-27 09:20 +0200
                Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] John Crawley <john@bunsenlabs.org> - 2025-06-27 10:10 +0200
                Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2025-06-27 10:50 +0200
                Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] John Crawley <john@bunsenlabs.org> - 2025-06-28 03:10 +0200
                Using MUAs to bounce mail (was: Please, don't reply to spam ...) Ralph Aichinger <ra@h5.or.at> - 2025-06-29 12:30 +0200
                Re: Using MUAs to bounce mail (was: Please, don't reply to spam ...) Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2025-06-29 12:50 +0200
                Re: Using MUAs to bounce mail (was: Please, don't reply to spam ...) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2025-06-29 14:20 +0200
                Re: Using MUAs to bounce mail (was: Please, don't reply to spam ...) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2025-06-29 14:20 +0200
    Re: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ Sand <sand@cybert.me> - 2025-06-24 12:10 +0200
      Re: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ 🦓 <czyborra@gmail.com> - 2025-06-24 13:10 +0200
        Spam on this list, top-posting and things. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2025-06-24 13:40 +0200
        Re: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ Frank Weißer <linux@weisser-ol.de> - 2025-06-24 13:40 +0200
          Re: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ 🦓 <czyborra@gmail.com> - 2025-06-24 14:10 +0200
            [subject censored] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2025-06-24 14:20 +0200

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