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| From | Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | linux.debian.user |
| Subject | Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] |
| Date | 2025-06-27 16:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <L2ipb-dyYw-23@gated-at.bofh.it> (permalink) |
| References | (5 earlier) <L1A4O-d5pX-13@gated-at.bofh.it> <L1ARb-d5Wz-5@gated-at.bofh.it> <L26R3-drIH-1@gated-at.bofh.it> <L27WN-dsm1-3@gated-at.bofh.it> <L2hCN-dyrD-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
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On Fri, Jun 27, 2025 at 13:46:40 -0000, Greg wrote:
> On 2025-06-27, Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> wrote:
> >
> > To be clear, what we're talking about here is what mutt does when you
> > press the "b" key. It queues up a message for delivery, where the
>
> Bounce can and does mean a rejection of the email by the *server*, so
> your proposal seems nonsensical or confusing, as the email has
> already been delivered to its recipients.
I am not proposing anything. I am *explaining*.
This is the terminology that mutt uses.
Is it confusing? Yes. Could a better word have been chosen? Probably.
But this is what they chose.
<https://mutt.org/doc/manual/#sending-intro>
Key Function Description
m <mail> compose a new message
r <reply> reply to sender
g <group-reply> reply to all recipients
<group-chat-reply> reply to all recipients preserving To/Cc
L <list-reply> reply to mailing list address
f <forward> forward message
b <bounce> bounce (remail) message
Esc k <mail-key> mail a PGP public key to someone
Bouncing a message sends the message as-is to the recipient you
specify. Forwarding a message allows you to add comments or modify
the message you are forwarding. These items are discussed in greater
detail in the next section “Forwarding and Bouncing Mail.”
<https://mutt.org/doc/manual/#forwarding-mail>
Bouncing and forwarding let you send an existing message to recipients
that you specify. Bouncing a message sends a verbatim copy of a
message to alternative addresses as if they were the message's
original recipients specified in the Bcc header. Forwarding a
message, on the other hand, allows you to modify the message before
it is resent (for example, by adding your own comments). Bouncing is
done using the <bounce> function and forwarding using the <forward>
function bound to “b” and “f” respectively.
I agree that *normally*, *for most people*, the word "bounce" in the
context of email refers to an automatically generated error message
composed by an MTA and sent to the envelope sender address of a
message that could not be delivered.
I agree that it's very confusing that mutt also chose to use the word
"bounce" to mean "forward a message with its original headers intact".
Nevertheless, that's what they chose, and that's what we're explaining
to you.
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ግěcůžላኣዝዩ mullerrogatien@gmail.com - 2025-06-24 09:40 +0200
Re: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ 🦓 <czyborra@gmail.com> - 2025-06-24 11:50 +0200
Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2025-06-24 12:10 +0200
Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] Dan Hitt <dan.hitt@gmail.com> - 2025-06-25 01:40 +0200
Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] Alain D D Williams <addw@phcomp.co.uk> - 2025-06-25 01:50 +0200
Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2025-06-25 02:00 +0200
Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] Dan Hitt <dan.hitt@gmail.com> - 2025-06-25 02:50 +0200
Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2025-06-25 08:50 +0200
Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] Greg <curtyshoo@gmail.com> - 2025-06-25 17:20 +0200
Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2025-06-25 18:10 +0200
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Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2025-06-27 05:30 +0200
Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] Alain D D Williams <addw@phcomp.co.uk> - 2025-06-27 05:50 +0200
Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] Greg <curtyshoo@gmail.com> - 2025-06-27 15:50 +0200
Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2025-06-27 16:10 +0200
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Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2025-06-27 16:50 +0200
Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2025-06-27 23:00 +0200
Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2025-06-27 16:40 +0200
Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list Alain D D Williams <addw@phcomp.co.uk> - 2025-06-27 16:50 +0200
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Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2025-06-27 17:40 +0200
Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2025-06-27 19:10 +0200
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Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list Stephan Seitz <stse+debian@rootsland.net> - 2025-06-28 12:10 +0200
Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2025-06-28 13:20 +0200
Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2025-06-29 11:20 +0200
Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2025-06-27 06:30 +0200
Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] Thomas Dineen <tdineen2021@gmail.com> - 2025-06-27 08:50 +0200
Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2025-06-27 09:20 +0200
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Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2025-06-27 10:50 +0200
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Re: Using MUAs to bounce mail (was: Please, don't reply to spam ...) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2025-06-29 14:20 +0200
Re: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ Sand <sand@cybert.me> - 2025-06-24 12:10 +0200
Re: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ 🦓 <czyborra@gmail.com> - 2025-06-24 13:10 +0200
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