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Re: Why Debian is dying

From Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name>
Newsgroups linux.debian.vote
Subject Re: Why Debian is dying
Date 2025-04-09 03:50 +0200
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Hello,

On Tue 08 Apr 2025 at 01:09pm GMT, Holger Levsen wrote:

> The Technical Committee may:
>
>     Decide on any matter of technical policy.
>     Decide any technical matter where Developers' jurisdictions overlap.
>     Make a decision when asked to do so.
>     Overrule a Developer (requires a 3:1 majority).
>     Offer advice.
>
>
> They all seem to be way more collaborative to me, than - once again -
> immediatly escalating this to -vote and threatening a GR.

This is not fair.

Firstly, the TC cannot overrule delegates.  This is well established.
During my recently-completed TC term, there was no doubt within the
committee that we could only deal with disputes among package
maintainers/contributors, not anything involving DPL delegates.

Secondly, "immediately escalating this to -vote" is not true, because we
tried to resolve it in private first, extensively.  And we tried to get
the DPL to help.

But the DPL didn't respond to a single message in the long private
thread, despite being CCed on every message.

> *Also*, because some of us would like to focus on getting this trixie
> release out.

I'm sorry that I didn't think of this.  It's always seemed to me that
political stuff can run in parallel to freezes (for example, we have
been running the DPL election just fine), but I see now that others
disagree.

-- 
Sean Whitton

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Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-04 11:10 +0200
  Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2025-04-04 12:00 +0200
  Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-04 12:30 +0200
    Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation "G. Branden Robinson" <g.branden.robinson@gmail.com> - 2025-04-04 13:00 +0200
      Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-04 13:10 +0200
    Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation Philipp Kern <pkern@debian.org> - 2025-04-04 21:00 +0200
      Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-04 21:40 +0200
  Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-04 13:10 +0200
  Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org> - 2025-04-04 13:10 +0200
    Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation Julian Andres Klode <jak@debian.org> - 2025-04-04 23:40 +0200
  Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation [and 1 more messages] Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-04 14:00 +0200
    Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation  [and 1 more messages] Gunnar Wolf <gwolf@debian.org> - 2025-04-04 21:30 +0200
      Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation  [and 1 more messages] Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2025-04-05 03:20 +0200
        Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation  [and 1 more messages] Gunnar Wolf <gwolf@debian.org> - 2025-04-05 20:00 +0200
          Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation  [and 1 more messages] Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2025-04-06 01:50 +0200
      Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation  [and 1 more messages] Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-05 12:40 +0200
        Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation  [and 1 more messages] Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-05 13:30 +0200
        Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation  [and 1 more messages] Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2025-04-05 14:10 +0200
  Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2025-04-04 19:00 +0200
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    Re: Why Debian is dying Richard Lewis <richard.lewis.debian@googlemail.com> - 2025-04-05 14:00 +0200
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                Re: Why Debian is dying Matthias Urlichs <matthias@urlichs.de> - 2025-04-09 14:00 +0200
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