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Re: Why Debian is dying (Was: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation)

From Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org>
Newsgroups linux.debian.vote
Subject Re: Why Debian is dying (Was: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation)
Date 2025-04-08 15:20 +0200
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On Sun, Apr 06, 2025 at 02:10:27PM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> Frankly, which other recourse does a DD have, in your opinion, if they think
> a team is obstructing what they see as a valuable contribution to Debian and
> the DPL (who arguably does have the authority to kick the whole FTP team out
> and appoint somebody else) doesn't want to put his foot down?

https://www.debian.org/devel/constitution#item-6

The Technical Committee may:

    Decide on any matter of technical policy.
    Decide any technical matter where Developers' jurisdictions overlap.
    Make a decision when asked to do so.
    Overrule a Developer (requires a 3:1 majority).
    Offer advice.


They all seem to be way more collaborative to me, than - once again - immediatly
escalating this to -vote and threatening a GR.

*Also*, because some of us would like to focus on getting this trixie release
out.


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Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-04 11:10 +0200
  Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2025-04-04 12:00 +0200
  Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-04 12:30 +0200
    Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation "G. Branden Robinson" <g.branden.robinson@gmail.com> - 2025-04-04 13:00 +0200
      Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-04 13:10 +0200
    Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation Philipp Kern <pkern@debian.org> - 2025-04-04 21:00 +0200
      Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-04 21:40 +0200
  Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-04 13:10 +0200
  Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org> - 2025-04-04 13:10 +0200
    Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation Julian Andres Klode <jak@debian.org> - 2025-04-04 23:40 +0200
  Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation [and 1 more messages] Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-04 14:00 +0200
    Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation  [and 1 more messages] Gunnar Wolf <gwolf@debian.org> - 2025-04-04 21:30 +0200
      Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation  [and 1 more messages] Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2025-04-05 03:20 +0200
        Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation  [and 1 more messages] Gunnar Wolf <gwolf@debian.org> - 2025-04-05 20:00 +0200
          Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation  [and 1 more messages] Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2025-04-06 01:50 +0200
      Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation  [and 1 more messages] Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-05 12:40 +0200
        Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation  [and 1 more messages] Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-05 13:30 +0200
        Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation  [and 1 more messages] Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2025-04-05 14:10 +0200
  Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2025-04-04 19:00 +0200
  Why Debian is dying (Was: Call for volunteers and GR draft:  tag2upload key installation) Daniel Gröber <dxld@darkboxed.org> - 2025-04-05 12:50 +0200
    Re: Why Debian is dying Richard Lewis <richard.lewis.debian@googlemail.com> - 2025-04-05 14:00 +0200
    Re: Why Debian is dying (Was: Call for volunteers and GR draft:  tag2upload key installation) Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-05 21:50 +0200
      Re: Why Debian is dying (Was: Call for volunteers and GR draft:  tag2upload key installation) Brian May <bam@debian.org> - 2025-04-06 00:00 +0200
        Re: Why Debian is dying (Was: Call for volunteers and GR draft:  tag2upload key installation) Matthias Urlichs <matthias@urlichs.de> - 2025-04-06 09:40 +0200
        Re: Why Debian is dying (Was: Call for volunteers and GR draft:  tag2upload key installation) Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-06 12:10 +0200
        Re: Why Debian is dying (Was: Call for volunteers and GR draft:  tag2upload key installation) Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-06 12:30 +0200
          Re: Why Debian is dying (Was: Call for volunteers and GR draft:  tag2upload key installation) Joerg Jaspert <joerg@debian.org> - 2025-04-06 13:30 +0200
            Re: Why Debian is dying (Was: Call for volunteers and GR draft:  tag2upload key installation) Matthias Urlichs <matthias@urlichs.de> - 2025-04-06 14:40 +0200
              Re: Why Debian is dying (Was: Call for volunteers and GR draft:  tag2upload key installation) Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2025-04-08 15:20 +0200
                Re: Why Debian is dying (Was: Call for volunteers and GR draft:  tag2upload key installation) Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-08 17:50 +0200
                Re: Why Debian is dying (Was: Call for volunteers and GR draft:  tag2upload key installation) Steve McIntyre <93sam@debian.org> - 2025-04-10 02:50 +0200
                Re: Why Debian is dying (Was: Call for volunteers and GR draft:  tag2upload key installation) Matthias Urlichs <matthias@urlichs.de> - 2025-04-08 19:30 +0200
                Re: Why Debian is dying Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2025-04-09 03:50 +0200
                Re: Why Debian is dying Matthias Urlichs <matthias@urlichs.de> - 2025-04-09 14:00 +0200
                Re: Why Debian is dying Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-09 16:20 +0200
                Proactiveness of DPLing (was Re: Why Debian is dying) Matthias Urlichs <matthias@urlichs.de> - 2025-04-09 17:00 +0200
                a Constitutional interpretation question (was: Why Debian is dying) "G. Branden Robinson" <g.branden.robinson@gmail.com> - 2025-04-09 20:20 +0200
                Re: Why Debian is dying Bill Allombert <ballombe@debian.org> - 2025-04-11 00:40 +0200
                Re: Why Debian is dying Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-11 13:00 +0200
            Re: Why Debian is dying (Was: Call for volunteers and GR draft:  tag2upload key installation) Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-06 15:00 +0200
            on continuing to wait Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2025-04-07 06:20 +0200
              Re: on continuing to wait Joerg Jaspert <joerg@debian.org> - 2025-04-07 17:20 +0200
                Re: on continuing to wait Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-07 18:10 +0200
                Re: on continuing to wait Joerg Jaspert <joerg@debian.org> - 2025-04-07 22:40 +0200
                Re: on continuing to wait Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2025-04-08 04:20 +0200
            Re: Why Debian is dying (Was: Call for volunteers and GR draft:  tag2upload key installation) Bill Allombert <ballombe@debian.org> - 2025-04-07 10:10 +0200
              Re: Why Debian is dying Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2025-04-09 11:10 +0200
                Re: Why Debian is dying "G. Branden Robinson" <g.branden.robinson@gmail.com> - 2025-04-09 12:00 +0200
                Re: Why Debian is dying Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2025-04-09 16:40 +0200
                Re: Why Debian is dying Matthias Urlichs <matthias@urlichs.de> - 2025-04-09 17:00 +0200
          Re: Why Debian is dying (Was: Call for volunteers and GR draft:  tag2upload key installation) Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2025-04-08 16:50 +0200
    Re: Why Debian is dying (Was: Call for volunteers and GR draft:  tag2upload key installation) Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> - 2025-04-06 13:10 +0200
      Re: Why Debian is dying (Was: Call for volunteers and GR draft:  tag2upload key installation) Matthias Urlichs <matthias@urlichs.de> - 2025-04-06 14:40 +0200
      Re: Why Debian is dying (Was: Call for volunteers and GR draft:  tag2upload key installation) Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-06 15:30 +0200
    Re: Why Debian is dying (Was: Call for volunteers and GR draft:  tag2upload key installation) Bill Allombert <ballombe@debian.org> - 2025-04-07 22:30 +0200
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  Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-07 12:50 +0200
    Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-07 16:40 +0200
    Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2025-04-08 04:30 +0200
    Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2025-04-26 05:30 +0200
      Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-26 11:30 +0200
        Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation Tollef Fog Heen <tfheen@err.no> - 2025-05-04 22:30 +0200
          Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-05-05 14:30 +0200

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