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Re: Why Debian is dying (Was: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation)

From Matthias Urlichs <matthias@urlichs.de>
Newsgroups linux.debian.vote
Subject Re: Why Debian is dying (Was: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation)
Date 2025-04-08 19:30 +0200
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On 08.04.25 15:09, Holger Levsen wrote:
> The Technical Committee may:
> [ list ]

Sure. But exactly which of these items affords the power to fix the 
"ftpmaster doesn't implement what they said they'd do" problem?

There was no technical disagreement, that was resolved last year. There 
was no decision to overrule except the unwillingness of the delegates to 
do some work, and you can't compel anybody to do work they don't want to 
do. (Not in Debian anway.)

What you can do is to find somebody who wants to do the work, and then 
find somebody who has the power to delegate the right to implement it to 
them. If Ian's statement that the DPL was not willing to do so is true, 
and so far I have not read anything at odds with said assertion, then 
asking the TC would not have accomplished much if anything IMHO.

-- 
-- regards
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-- Matthias Urlichs

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Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-04 11:10 +0200
  Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2025-04-04 12:00 +0200
  Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-04 12:30 +0200
    Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation "G. Branden Robinson" <g.branden.robinson@gmail.com> - 2025-04-04 13:00 +0200
      Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-04 13:10 +0200
    Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation Philipp Kern <pkern@debian.org> - 2025-04-04 21:00 +0200
      Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-04 21:40 +0200
  Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-04 13:10 +0200
  Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org> - 2025-04-04 13:10 +0200
    Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation Julian Andres Klode <jak@debian.org> - 2025-04-04 23:40 +0200
  Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation [and 1 more messages] Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-04 14:00 +0200
    Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation  [and 1 more messages] Gunnar Wolf <gwolf@debian.org> - 2025-04-04 21:30 +0200
      Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation  [and 1 more messages] Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2025-04-05 03:20 +0200
        Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation  [and 1 more messages] Gunnar Wolf <gwolf@debian.org> - 2025-04-05 20:00 +0200
          Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation  [and 1 more messages] Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2025-04-06 01:50 +0200
      Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation  [and 1 more messages] Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-05 12:40 +0200
        Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation  [and 1 more messages] Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-05 13:30 +0200
        Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation  [and 1 more messages] Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2025-04-05 14:10 +0200
  Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key installation Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2025-04-04 19:00 +0200
  Why Debian is dying (Was: Call for volunteers and GR draft:  tag2upload key installation) Daniel Gröber <dxld@darkboxed.org> - 2025-04-05 12:50 +0200
    Re: Why Debian is dying Richard Lewis <richard.lewis.debian@googlemail.com> - 2025-04-05 14:00 +0200
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              Re: Why Debian is dying (Was: Call for volunteers and GR draft:  tag2upload key installation) Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2025-04-08 15:20 +0200
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                Re: Why Debian is dying (Was: Call for volunteers and GR draft:  tag2upload key installation) Matthias Urlichs <matthias@urlichs.de> - 2025-04-08 19:30 +0200
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                Re: Why Debian is dying Matthias Urlichs <matthias@urlichs.de> - 2025-04-09 14:00 +0200
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