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discussion extension (was: Re: General Resolution: Interpretation of DFSG on Artificial Intelligence (AI) Models

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Hi Andreas,

According to constitution A.1.6, would you mind helping us extend
the discussion period by a week?
https://www.debian.org/devel/constitution

>From the feedbacks I've heard, there are a couple of problems we are
facing currently.

* Myself being confident in proposal A is one thing. But the audience
  of this GR needs more information in order to make a well-thought
  vote, while I'm suffering from low bandwidth in recent weeks.

* People holding different opinions have really short time to prepare
  a formal polished proposal.

Maybe those factors indicate this is not the best time to vote.
I'm considering whether I should withdraw the proposal, collect more
information to fill up the overlooked aspects, further polish the
proposal A, and come back when it is ready. Doing so also allows
enough time for proposal B,C,D... since people know that I'm really
pushing this forward now.


On Mon, 2025-05-05 at 16:09 -0400, Jeremy Bícha wrote:
> On Mon, May 5, 2025 at 2:49 PM Mo Zhou <lumin@debian.org> wrote:
> > On 5/5/25 11:44, Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote:
> > > > It is too rush to start to vote for this within 3 weeks
> > > 
> > > Does this maybe sound like the GR call was premature?
> > > The project consensus, especially after
> > > https://www.debian.org/vote/2021/vote_003, seems to say that we don't
> > > want multi-month GR discussions.
> > > 
> > 
> > Not quite. Proposal A is mature and I'm confident in it.
> > Potential proposal B,C,D,... are premature.
> > I have no intention to let people holding different opinions
> > to have a very short time to prepare a formal proposal B,C,D.
> > 
> > But, the whole series of discussions started 7 years ago.
> > And I have already mailed everywhere about my intention
> > to submit the GR. If there is no proposal B, that could mean
> > it is really difficult to formally write a proposal B.
> > 
> > I lean towards going ahead.
> 
> I don't believe we have enough information to do the GR now (or one
> week from today, the longest we can delay). I am unclear on whether
> existing packages in Debian are affected. Your proposal does not
> indicate whether the GR would be effective immediately.
> 
> My suggestion is for you to ask the DPL to extend the discussion
> period by a week (for constitutional reasons) followed by an immediate
> withdrawal of the GR. Withdrawing the GR allows you to resubmit later
> and wait 2-3 weeks from that point.
> 
> Thank you,
> Jeremy Bícha

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  Re: General Resolution: Interpretation of DFSG on Artificial  Intelligence (AI) Models Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2025-05-05 08:00 +0200
    Re: General Resolution: Interpretation of DFSG on Artificial  Intelligence (AI) Models Mo Zhou <lumin@debian.org> - 2025-05-05 17:20 +0200
      Re: General Resolution: Interpretation of DFSG on Artificial  Intelligence (AI) Models Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2025-05-05 17:50 +0200
        Re: General Resolution: Interpretation of DFSG on Artificial  Intelligence (AI) Models Mo Zhou <lumin@debian.org> - 2025-05-05 20:50 +0200
          Re: General Resolution: Interpretation of DFSG on Artificial  Intelligence (AI) Models Jeremy Bícha <jeremy.bicha@canonical.com> - 2025-05-05 22:20 +0200
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