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Re: Q: Ubuntu PPA induced version ordering mess.

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On Mon, Jul 01, 2024 at 05:17:09PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> I would use an epoch.

yes.
 
[...]
> Basically, you'd be burning a lot of social capital with upstream for no
> really good reason and you probably still wouldn't be able to convince
> them.  I don't think it's worth it.

yes.

> I would just use the epoch.  I know people really hate them and they have
> a few weird and annoying properties, but we have a bunch of packages with
> epochs and it's mostly fine. 

a bunch?

$ grep ^Version: /var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_source_Sources |awk ' { print $2 } ' |grep -c :
1142
$ grep -c ^Version: /var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_source_Sources
38200

ok, maybe 3% of all packages is a bunch. :)

> It's something you'll have to keep working
> around forever, but not in a way that's really that hard to deal with,
> IMO.

yes.

> This feels like exactly the type of situation that epochs were designed
> for: upstream was releasing packages with weird version numbers and now
> they're effectively going back to normal version numbers that are much
> smaller.  In other words, to quote policy, "situations where the upstream
> version numbering scheme changes."  Yes, in this case it was only in their
> packages and not in their software releases, but that still counts when
> they have an existing user base that has those packages installed.

yes.

Thank you Russ, for wording this so well, that I don't have to type much.


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Re: Q: Ubuntu PPA induced version ordering mess. Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2024-07-02 00:40 +0200
  Re: Q: Ubuntu PPA induced version ordering mess. Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2024-07-02 01:00 +0200
    Re: Q: Ubuntu PPA induced version ordering mess. Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2024-07-02 01:20 +0200
      Re: Q: Ubuntu PPA induced version ordering mess. Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2024-07-02 01:40 +0200
        Re: Q: Ubuntu PPA induced version ordering mess. Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2024-07-02 02:10 +0200
          Re: Q: Ubuntu PPA induced version ordering mess. Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2024-07-02 02:30 +0200
            Re: Q: Ubuntu PPA induced version ordering mess. Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2024-07-02 02:40 +0200
        Re: Q: Ubuntu PPA induced version ordering mess. Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2024-07-02 02:20 +0200
          Re: Q: Ubuntu PPA induced version ordering mess. Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2024-07-02 12:10 +0200
        Re: Q: Ubuntu PPA induced version ordering mess. Jens Reyer <jens.reyer@gmail.com> - 2024-07-02 07:00 +0200
        Re: Q: Ubuntu PPA induced version ordering mess. Gunnar Wolf <gwolf@debian.org> - 2024-07-02 20:50 +0200
          Re: Q: Ubuntu PPA induced version ordering mess. Philip Hands <phil@hands.com> - 2024-07-03 10:20 +0200
            Re: Q: Ubuntu PPA induced version ordering mess. Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2024-07-03 12:30 +0200
      Re: Q: Ubuntu PPA induced version ordering mess. Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2024-07-02 01:40 +0200

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