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Re: Q: Ubuntu PPA induced version ordering mess.

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Am 2. Juli 2024 01:59:26 MESZ schrieb Alec Leamas <leamas.alec@gmail.com>:
>Soren et. al.,
>
>On 02/07/2024 01:31, Soren Stoutner wrote:
>> Alec,
>> 
>> 
>> If upstream wants to fix this problem, they could just make their next release
>> version 9000, with the one after that either being 9001 or 9000.1.
>> 
>> Or, possibly, they could encourage everyone to uninstall the PPA package
>> before installing an official one.  For example, release a new package to their
>> PPA that displays a message encouraging everyone to uninstall the PPA package,
>> remove the PPA from their list of repositories, and *then* install the official
>> one.
>> 
>> As a general rule, I wouldn’t expect a user to keep a PPA package installed
>> when switching to an official package.  There is generally no guarantee that
>> upgrading from a PPA package to an official one will work without errors.
>> 
>> Or, once the official package had entered the system, they could instruct users
>> to remove the PPA from their list of repositories and then perform a
>> downgrade.
>> 
>> All of that being said, Debian could use an epoch to fix the problem.  Having
>> an epoch on a package isn’t the worst thing that has ever happened.
>> 
>So, at least three possible paths:
>
>1. Persuade users to uninstall PPA packages before installing official packages and also generation 2 PPA packages with sane versions like 5.10.x
>
>2. Use versions like 9000.5.10, 9000.5.12. etc.
>
>3. Use an epoch.
>
>Of these I would say that 1. is a **very** hard sell upstream. Users are used to just update and will try, fail and cause friction.
>
>2. and 3. both adds something which must be kept forever. Given this choice I tend to think that the epoch is the lesser evil, mostly because the package version could match the "real" version.
>
>That is, the idea that next opencpn release officially would be 9000.5.10 just won't fly. 2. would be about using package versions with a number prefix like 9000. which is not really visible to users.  And that means an impedance problem between the upstream version and the packaged one. A problem the epoch does not have.
>
>--alec
>

[Currently on my phone with no direct access to my Debian mail jre.winesim@gmail.com, but annoying autocorrect and topposting instead]

You may avoid the epoch if upstream is willing to provide a separate package for about 2 years. (I did something similar to get rid of an epoch in Ubuntu's wine packages a few years ago, replacing them with our Debian packages):

package 9000.5.10
Depends: package-transition-to-new-versioning

package-transition-to-new-versioning 5.9.2-1


In 2 years:
package-transition-to-new-versioning 5.9.2-2
Depends: package 5.9.2-2

You'll also need some breaks/replaces in Debian's packages.

I might dig out the details later if your interested.

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Re: Q: Ubuntu PPA induced version ordering mess. Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2024-07-02 00:40 +0200
  Re: Q: Ubuntu PPA induced version ordering mess. Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2024-07-02 01:00 +0200
    Re: Q: Ubuntu PPA induced version ordering mess. Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2024-07-02 01:20 +0200
      Re: Q: Ubuntu PPA induced version ordering mess. Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2024-07-02 01:40 +0200
        Re: Q: Ubuntu PPA induced version ordering mess. Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2024-07-02 02:10 +0200
          Re: Q: Ubuntu PPA induced version ordering mess. Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2024-07-02 02:30 +0200
            Re: Q: Ubuntu PPA induced version ordering mess. Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2024-07-02 02:40 +0200
        Re: Q: Ubuntu PPA induced version ordering mess. Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2024-07-02 02:20 +0200
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            Re: Q: Ubuntu PPA induced version ordering mess. Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2024-07-03 12:30 +0200
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