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Re: red SATA cables "notoriously bad"? (Was Re: Orphaned Inode Problem)

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On 2/19/24 19:49, Andy Smith wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 04:12:44PM -0300, Eike Lantzsch ZP5CGE / KY4PZ wrote:
>> The notorious red SATA cables - I threw them out long ago. The red
>> pigment eats up the fine copper threads, changing the impedance of the
>> cable and eventually making false contact before failing completely.
> 
> I've never heard of this. I did a bit of searching around and all I
> can find is assertions that cable colour doesn't matter for SATA. I
> can't seem to find anything about red pigment damaging the copper.
> Have you got a reference so I can learn more?
> 
> Thanks,
> Andy

Andy, I am the source of that red cable story. Actually it is not 
technically a red but a magenta that fluoresces reddish to get that 
brightness.  And my history with early failure of cables that used that 
dye to color the insulation goes back to the 1970's when the majority of 
the CB radios sold were from japan, not china.  Microphone cables that 
included a push to talk start failing quite rapidly, The hot red wire 
was used for that about 99% of the time..Open up the plug or the 
microphone, the red wire had come unsoldered or broken off, attempt to 
strip it back to good wire wasn't possible. there was no good copper 
left anyplace in the cable. Cut an inch of it off where there should 
have been copper, grab it by the end with suture clamps and thump it 
with a pencil over white copy paper and shake the copper out of it as a 
reddish, face powder fine dust, the copper had been I assume made into 
copper oxide. It took every good tech in the country to start returning 
mike cables back to the makers as defective before they got the message 
that that die was poison. That took about 9 months before we could order 
replacement cable specifing that they would be returned for credit if we 
found any 'hot" red in the cables they were selling us. The shortage at 
the time forced them to ship whatever they had I guess.  If you goto 
Loews or any electrical supply where they have to sell NEC approved 
cabling, you will NOT see that red on any wire on the shelf or in the 
rack. Then about the time sata came out, they found a new market for 
that plastic dye, and sure as heck, we had cabling problems out the yang 
in about 3 years. If you have that hot red wire anyplace in you 
computer, it will fail, order more cables.  Tan, Black, Yellow, but not 
hot red.  And sleep better knowing that time bomb has gone out with the 
trash.

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
-- 
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-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
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  - Louis D. Brandeis

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        Re: red SATA cables "notoriously bad"? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2024-02-20 02:20 +0100
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