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Re: lists

From "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: lists
Date 2023-12-20 17:30 +0100
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Hi,

(Cc-ing pocket@columbus.rr.com just in case the unsubscription strikes
again.)

Pocket wrote:
> I spend several days trying to subscribed to the list, with the web signup
> ALWAYS time out with a gateway error.

The mails from the list have these informational headers:

  List-Subscribe:
    <mailto:debian-user-request@lists.debian.org?subject=subscribe>
  List-Unsubscribe:
    <mailto:debian-user-request@lists.debian.org?subject=unsubscribe>

So to subscribe, send a mail to
  debian-user-request@lists.debian.org
with the Subject: text "subscribe".


> I get/have a kick rate of 2% (one bounce in the last 60 days), then I am
> kicked and no longer receive anything from the user list.

It is possible that these warning mails and the final unsubscription
are not directly related.

A while ago this list had a problem with fake bounces. A troll managed
to convince the list server that some of the subscribers would reject the
list mails. I am not familiar with the exact technical properties of that
attack and how it was finally disabled by the listmasters.

It was in october 2021. See the threads under:
  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/10/msg00248.html
  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/10/msg00337.html
I became target after complaining that i was not deemed hateworthy enough
to become a victim (and showing an example of a real bounce):
  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/10/msg00434.html
The problem ended after a preliminary change:
  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/10/msg00567.html
  "We now disabled bounce-detection if it is related to that.
   We'll check how to be more strict in accepting these kind of mails
   now.
   Yours, Cord, Debian Listmaster of the day"
I guess that this change was later revoked after means were found to
recognize the fake bounce mails.

Maybe now the attack was refined ? Maybe i will be the next victim ?


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

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lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 14:00 +0100
  Re: lists Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-12-20 14:10 +0100
    Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 14:40 +0100
      Re: lists Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-12-20 14:50 +0100
      Re: lists <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-12-20 14:50 +0100
      Re: lists Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-12-20 16:10 +0100
      Re: lists Christoph Brinkhaus <c.brinkhaus@t-online.de> - 2023-12-20 16:20 +0100
        Re: lists Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-12-20 16:20 +0100
          Re: lists Christoph Brinkhaus <c.brinkhaus@t-online.de> - 2023-12-20 16:30 +0100
          Re: lists Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d63c@ewoof.net> - 2023-12-20 16:50 +0100
        Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 16:30 +0100
          Re: lists Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-12-20 16:40 +0100
            Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 16:50 +0100
              Re: lists Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-12-20 17:00 +0100
              Re: lists Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-12-20 17:00 +0100
          Re: lists "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2023-12-20 17:30 +0100
            Re: lists Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-12-20 17:40 +0100
        Re: lists Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-12-20 17:00 +0100
          Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 17:10 +0100
            Re: lists Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-12-20 17:20 +0100
              Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 17:20 +0100
                Re: lists <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-12-20 17:30 +0100
                Re: lists Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-12-20 17:40 +0100
                Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 17:40 +0100
                Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 17:50 +0100
                Re: lists <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-12-20 17:50 +0100
                Re: lists Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-12-20 17:50 +0100
                Re: lists Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-12-20 18:00 +0100
                Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 18:10 +0100
                Re: lists Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d63c@ewoof.net> - 2023-12-20 19:30 +0100
                Re: lists Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-12-20 17:50 +0100
                Re: lists Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-12-20 17:40 +0100
                Re: lists <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-12-20 17:50 +0100
                Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 18:10 +0100
                Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 17:50 +0100
                Re: lists Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2023-12-20 19:30 +0100
            Re: lists Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-12-20 17:40 +0100
              Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 17:40 +0100
        Re: lists Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2023-12-20 17:00 +0100
          Re: lists Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-12-20 17:20 +0100
            Re: lists <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-12-20 17:30 +0100
            Re: lists Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2023-12-20 17:50 +0100
              Re: lists Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-12-20 18:00 +0100
                Re: lists Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2023-12-20 18:00 +0100
      Re: lists gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-12-20 18:00 +0100
        Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 18:10 +0100
          Re: lists Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-12-20 19:20 +0100
            Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 19:30 +0100
              Re: lists Hanno 'Rince' Wagner <wagner@debian.org> - 2023-12-20 19:50 +0100
                Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 20:10 +0100
                Re: lists Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-12-20 20:20 +0100
                Re: lists Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-12-20 21:00 +0100
                Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 21:10 +0100
                Re: lists Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-12-20 21:30 +0100
                Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 21:50 +0100
                Re: lists gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-12-21 00:00 +0100
                Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-21 00:20 +0100
                Re: lists John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2023-12-21 00:50 +0100
                Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-21 01:00 +0100
                Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists] "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2023-12-21 11:40 +0100
                Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists] Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-21 11:50 +0100
                Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists] Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-12-21 12:40 +0100
                Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists] Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-21 13:40 +0100
                Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists] Byung-Hee HWANG <soyeomul@doraji.xyz> - 2023-12-21 14:20 +0100
                Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists] Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-12-21 14:50 +0100
                Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists] Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-21 15:00 +0100
                Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists] Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-12-21 15:10 +0100
                Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists] Hanno 'Rince' Wagner <wagner@debian.org> - 2023-12-21 15:20 +0100
                Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists] Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-21 15:30 +0100
          Re: lists gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-12-20 23:40 +0100
            Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-21 00:00 +0100
              Re: lists Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2023-12-21 00:10 +0100
              Re: wireless broadband providers exist (was: lists) Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2023-12-21 01:50 +0100
                Re: wireless broadband providers exist The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2023-12-21 01:50 +0100
                Re: wireless broadband providers exist Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-21 02:10 +0100
                Re: wireless broadband providers exist Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-12-21 02:50 +0100
                Re: wireless broadband providers exist Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-21 03:30 +0100
                Re: wireless broadband providers exist John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2023-12-21 05:30 +0100
                Re: wireless broadband providers exist John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2023-12-21 05:20 +0100
                Re: wireless broadband providers exist Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-21 02:00 +0100
                Re: wireless broadband providers exist Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2023-12-21 02:30 +0100
                Re: wireless broadband providers exist Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-21 02:40 +0100

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