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Re: wireless broadband providers exist

From Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: wireless broadband providers exist
Date 2023-12-21 03:30 +0100
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On 12/20/23 20:45, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 8:04 PM Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 12/20/23 19:48, The Wanderer wrote:
>>
>> On 2023-12-20 at 19:39, Felix Miata wrote:
>>
>> Pocket composed on 2023-12-20 17:55 (UTC-0500):
>>
>> Actually I can not change as the ISP has exclusive rights to the high
>> speed internet in the area I reside in.
>>
>> No other providers are allowed.
>>
>> That could be a historical concept, depending exactly on where you live. Some of
>> us mericans who formerly had no access to real broadband except via prohibitively
>> expensive, high latency satellite dish now have broadband provided wirelessly. All
>> the big cablecos have been slowly rolling it out. The areas covered are limited,
>> with limited overlap among providers. The targets so far have been mostly areas
>> unserved by traditional cable, but there is overlap. Maybe you should check with
>> T-Mobile:
>> https://www.allconnect.com/local/oh/columbus
>>
>> It is my understanding that there are (or at least have been, and I know
>> of no reason for this to have changed) some apartment buildings, et
>> cetera, in which there is a provision of the tenancy agreement (or
>> whatever else applies) requiring that Internet service be exclusively
>> through the provider chosen by the management of the apartment building.
>>
>> (The question of motivations for doing this, on the part of both the
>> management and the provider, I leave un-discussed for at least the time
>> being.)
>>
>> If that is correct, and if Pocket resides in such an environment, then
>> it is possible that even if wireless "high-speed" Internet access could
>> in a technical sense work in that area it might be prohibited in a
>> contractual sense.
>>
>> You are exactly correct
>>
>> wireless "high-speed" Internet access is prohibited as stated in the agreement (made in the year 1995) between city council and time warner who was bought out by charter/spectrum
> This does not pass the sniff test (to me). Service providers are
> usually not allowed to enter into those types of agreements because it
> is anti-competitive for the consumer. I know the FCC forbids it
> between landlords and service providers in multi-tenant environments
> (MTEs). See <https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/consumer-faq-rules-service-providers-multiple-tenant-environments>.

This is the entire city and outside area.

What you posted is about buildings

 From your link....

Apartments, condominiums, and office buildings are homes and workplaces 
for millions of Americans. To promote competition and consumer choice, 
the FCC regulates access to telecommunications, cable, and broadband 
services in these "multiple tenant environments," or MTEs for short. 
These rules regulate the kinds of agreements service providers may enter 
into with landlords and prohibit certain anti-competitive arrangements. 
Additional rules recently went into effect that place new obligations 
and restrictions on service providers in MTEs.

If you are tenant in an MTE, or own or manage one, check out the FAQ 
below, along with the overview of new FCC rules for MTEs, to gain a 
better understanding of how you may be affected.


>
> I would probably contact the FCC and see what their [the FTC] position
> is when a city attempts to grant a monopoly to a service provider.


Well it was 28 years ago


>
> I also fail to see what a mail service provider has to do with your
> internet service provider. They are different services, and one should
> not affect the other. If you use Spectrum for internet access, then
> that's your business. It does not affect your decision to use Yahoo or
> Hotmail for your email service.

I didn't say it did

I have spoken

-- 
Hindi madali ang maging ako

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lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 14:00 +0100
  Re: lists Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-12-20 14:10 +0100
    Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 14:40 +0100
      Re: lists Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-12-20 14:50 +0100
      Re: lists <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-12-20 14:50 +0100
      Re: lists Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-12-20 16:10 +0100
      Re: lists Christoph Brinkhaus <c.brinkhaus@t-online.de> - 2023-12-20 16:20 +0100
        Re: lists Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-12-20 16:20 +0100
          Re: lists Christoph Brinkhaus <c.brinkhaus@t-online.de> - 2023-12-20 16:30 +0100
          Re: lists Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d63c@ewoof.net> - 2023-12-20 16:50 +0100
        Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 16:30 +0100
          Re: lists Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-12-20 16:40 +0100
            Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 16:50 +0100
              Re: lists Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-12-20 17:00 +0100
              Re: lists Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-12-20 17:00 +0100
          Re: lists "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2023-12-20 17:30 +0100
            Re: lists Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-12-20 17:40 +0100
        Re: lists Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-12-20 17:00 +0100
          Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 17:10 +0100
            Re: lists Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-12-20 17:20 +0100
              Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 17:20 +0100
                Re: lists <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-12-20 17:30 +0100
                Re: lists Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-12-20 17:40 +0100
                Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 17:40 +0100
                Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 17:50 +0100
                Re: lists <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-12-20 17:50 +0100
                Re: lists Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-12-20 17:50 +0100
                Re: lists Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-12-20 18:00 +0100
                Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 18:10 +0100
                Re: lists Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d63c@ewoof.net> - 2023-12-20 19:30 +0100
                Re: lists Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-12-20 17:50 +0100
                Re: lists Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-12-20 17:40 +0100
                Re: lists <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-12-20 17:50 +0100
                Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 18:10 +0100
                Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 17:50 +0100
                Re: lists Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2023-12-20 19:30 +0100
            Re: lists Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-12-20 17:40 +0100
              Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 17:40 +0100
        Re: lists Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2023-12-20 17:00 +0100
          Re: lists Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-12-20 17:20 +0100
            Re: lists <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-12-20 17:30 +0100
            Re: lists Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2023-12-20 17:50 +0100
              Re: lists Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-12-20 18:00 +0100
                Re: lists Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2023-12-20 18:00 +0100
      Re: lists gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-12-20 18:00 +0100
        Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 18:10 +0100
          Re: lists Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-12-20 19:20 +0100
            Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 19:30 +0100
              Re: lists Hanno 'Rince' Wagner <wagner@debian.org> - 2023-12-20 19:50 +0100
                Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 20:10 +0100
                Re: lists Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-12-20 20:20 +0100
                Re: lists Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-12-20 21:00 +0100
                Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 21:10 +0100
                Re: lists Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-12-20 21:30 +0100
                Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 21:50 +0100
                Re: lists gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-12-21 00:00 +0100
                Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-21 00:20 +0100
                Re: lists John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2023-12-21 00:50 +0100
                Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-21 01:00 +0100
                Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists] "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2023-12-21 11:40 +0100
                Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists] Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-21 11:50 +0100
                Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists] Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-12-21 12:40 +0100
                Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists] Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-21 13:40 +0100
                Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists] Byung-Hee HWANG <soyeomul@doraji.xyz> - 2023-12-21 14:20 +0100
                Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists] Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-12-21 14:50 +0100
                Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists] Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-21 15:00 +0100
                Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists] Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-12-21 15:10 +0100
                Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists] Hanno 'Rince' Wagner <wagner@debian.org> - 2023-12-21 15:20 +0100
                Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists] Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-21 15:30 +0100
          Re: lists gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-12-20 23:40 +0100
            Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-21 00:00 +0100
              Re: lists Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2023-12-21 00:10 +0100
              Re: wireless broadband providers exist (was: lists) Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2023-12-21 01:50 +0100
                Re: wireless broadband providers exist The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2023-12-21 01:50 +0100
                Re: wireless broadband providers exist Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-21 02:10 +0100
                Re: wireless broadband providers exist Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-12-21 02:50 +0100
                Re: wireless broadband providers exist Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-21 03:30 +0100
                Re: wireless broadband providers exist John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2023-12-21 05:30 +0100
                Re: wireless broadband providers exist John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2023-12-21 05:20 +0100
                Re: wireless broadband providers exist Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-21 02:00 +0100
                Re: wireless broadband providers exist Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2023-12-21 02:30 +0100
                Re: wireless broadband providers exist Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-21 02:40 +0100

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