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| From | gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
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| Newsgroups | linux.debian.user |
| Subject | Re: time question, as in ntp? |
| Date | 2023-12-02 11:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <HGvJn-ay77-11@gated-at.bofh.it> (permalink) |
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On 12/1/23 16:22, gene heskett wrote: > On 12/1/23 13:27, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: >> On Fri, Dec 01, 2023 at 07:30:35AM +0000, Andy Smith wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 10:24:35PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: >>> >> <snip> >> >> Gene, >> >> Please do us *all* a favour to try and help you. >> >> Write us out a list of all your machines - and if a printer has an >> embedded SBC, it's a machine in this context - and the OS and versions >> they are running. >> >> List the functions you want each to have. >> >> As others have noted, it's REALLY hard to work out what you're doing. >> >> If machines and printers expect DHCP, then you're going to have to >> amend files. Do back up the files you change. >>> 1. There is nothing in Debian that ever overwrites the >>> /etc/network/interfaces file. But you aren't running Debian on >>> this machine, so we are all having difficulty helping you. >>> Because this is DEBIAN-user. > > I'm well aware of that Andy, but TBH, this list may be the deepest pool > of knowledgeable people on the planet, most of my machines are running > debian. Those that are running buster have been stuck as the switch to > python 3 with bullseye broke linuxcnc. Thats now been fixed and has > been for a while but I've had my own projects that took priority. There > will not be any spinning rust here when I do update to bookworm or trixie. > >> As ever, our collective expertise here is primarily Debian - we have no >> clue what a derived distribution may or may not do. > > There is also an overtone of NIH here. These programs are tools and one > does his (or her) best thinking well outside the box at times. > >>> 2. All you've described is a line in a file which says, "Network is >>> managed by NetworkManager". There is NO indication WHICH piece of >>> software put that line there, it really could be anything. >>> Because you aren't running Debian. Since NetworkManager can be >>> set up to run arbitrary commands, it certainly COULD be YOUR >>> setup of NetworkManager. Or something else entirely different. >>> It's nothing in Debian, though. >>> >>>>> Then you are incompatible with software you are trying to run. Your >>>>> options: >>>>> - do not allow scripts coming with klipper or its installer to touch >>>>> network configuration > > They never have, they just use it. And I've used up my patience in > explaining that and being mostly ignored. > >>>>> - setup a DHCP server in your network and provide to 3d wizards >>>>> environment they expect. >>>>> >> >> "Su and say" is not great: running third party scripts on non-Debian >> systems >> and you get to keep both pieces unless you undersand what kiauh and >> Klipper >> are doing, be careful. >> >>>> Again, Max, its your way or the hiway. I'd be willing to guess that my >>>> network experience goes back at least a decade before your first >>>> class in cs >>>> 101. /etc/hosts files worked in 1990 then as now, we just have to >>>> get the >>>> dhcp crap out of the way. And you and your insistence on using dhcp >>>> which >>>> has never given me a stable address are definitely NOT helping. >>> >>> This like some sort of farce. >>> >>> You have an operating system hard-coded to use DHCP, but you won't >>> use DHCP, so it doesn't work. You can't work out how to make it not >>> want DHCP; you won't ask the people who made it how; instead you ask >>> us completely uninvolved folks how to do it. When we tell you to >>> configure it for static networking you say you can't because it >>> wants DHCP. When we say use DHCP then, you say, "oh I see it's your >>> way or the hiway, I'll have you know I was crafting IP packets from >>> raw bean sprouts before you kids ever drew breath!" >>> >>> So would I be correct in saying that you want US to work out how to >>> do this thing in software we don't use and that's off-topic here, >>> and that's the only answer you'll accept? >>> >>> Or have I misunderstood and there is some other direction you would >>> like to go with this? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Andy >>> >> >> It does seem to be a problem on this list that we can't always get >> clear explanations of what has *actually* been done. >> >> Andy >>> > That list of machines is long Andy, and possibly boring. > > 1. The 2nd machine I converted, affectionately known as tlm.coyote.den, > ( The Little Monster ), a 7x12 lathe running buster with a real time > kernel and linuxcnc, all uptdate. uname -a= > Linux TLM 4.19.0-25-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian 4.19.289-2 > (2023-08-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux > Running on an off-lease Dell Optiplex computer. > > 2. A 4 axis mill sold by grizzly as the G0704 running on another > off-lease Dell, named go704, using an uptodate buster, uname -a= > Linux GO704 4.19.0-25-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian 4.19.289-2 > (2023-08-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux > also using linuxcnc. > > 3. Another 4 axis gantry style mill sold as the 6040, also running > buster with a rt kernel and linuxcnc on another off-lease Dell. uname -a= > Linux sixty40 4.19.0-25-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian 4.19.289-2 > (2023-08-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux > > 4. Another lathe, a bigger Sheldon from the mid WW-II time, running on a > raspberry pi 4b, bookworm, uname -a= > Linux rpi4.coyote.den 6.1.54-rt15 #1 SMP PREEMPT_RT Wed Sep 20 20:36:44 > AEST 2023 aarch64 GNU/Linux > and linuxcnc=LinuxCNC/AXIS version 2.10.0~pre0 > > All of the above linuxcnc versions are the current master from the > linuxcnc.org's buildbot, updated several times a week as I play the > canary in a coal mine part looking for showstopper bugs. #4 above was > the first on the planet to run linuxcnc on a pi. I did it just to see > if I could. The whole shebang w/o the lathe power, draws 20 watts > including the monitor, those Dell's are power pigs at 300 watts counting > the monitors. > > #5, and currently offline being rebuilt, is a 3d printer, a creality > Ender 5 Plus, already has a bananapi-m5 running an arm64 armbian jammy, > a BTT octopus controller. Stepper/servo's on x&y. is already running > the klipper suite of tools. > > #6, a tronxy-400 3d printer with similar state and configuration except > it a corexy design. > > #7, a two trees Sapphire 5, after the 3rd controller died, is slowly > being rebuilt with the same BTT card and klipper, and is a corexy design. > > #8 is this problem child, unknown controller, some sort of a rockchip > board running armbian 64 buster and klippers suite of tools. uname -a= > Linux mkspi 5.16.20-rockchip64 #trunk SMP PREEMPT Mon Jul 25 01:58:45 > UTC 2022 aarch64 GNU/Linux. A corexy design. > > There will probably be more of #8, its doing a great job. Faster by x4 > than any of the others did stock. If I don't miss roll call first. Still > have about 5 or 6 years left in the pacemakers battery. > > Like I said, boring. > > Take care and stay well Andy. > > Cheers, Gene Heskett. And I was sidetracked, and forgot this machine, a huge tower case with an asus Z370-A II mobo, 6 core low power i5, 32gigs of dram, and 6 or 7 TB of SSD storage. Running bookworm of course. My appologies. Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
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time question, as in ntp? gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-11-29 19:00 +0100
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Re: time question, as in ntp? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2023-12-01 15:40 +0100
Re: time question, as in ntp? gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-12-01 19:50 +0100
Re: time question, as in ntp? gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-12-01 14:30 +0100
Re: time question, as in ntp? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2023-12-01 14:50 +0100
Re: time question, as in ntp? gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-12-01 19:50 +0100
Re: time question, as in ntp? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-12-01 04:20 +0100
Re: time question, as in ntp? Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2023-11-30 15:20 +0100
Re: time question, as in ntp? Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-11-30 17:20 +0100
Re: time question, as in ntp? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-11-30 19:10 +0100
Re: time question, as in ntp? gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-12-01 02:40 +0100
Re: time question, as in ntp? Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-12-01 17:30 +0100
Re: time question, as in ntp? Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-12-01 21:50 +0100
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Re: time question, as in ntp? gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-12-04 10:50 +0100
Re: time question, as in ntp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2023-12-04 15:40 +0100
Re: time question, as in ntp? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-12-04 15:40 +0100
Re: time question, as in ntp? John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2023-12-04 16:00 +0100
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