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Re: time question, as in ntp?

From gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: time question, as in ntp?
Date 2023-12-01 11:50 +0100
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On 11/30/23 23:18, Max Nikulin wrote:

> On 01/12/2023 10:24, gene heskett wrote:
>> If you would bother to read what I posted, you would have seen that 
>> networkmangler claimed credit for that overwritten /e/n/i file.
> 
> Then, please, explain clearly what is "networkmangler", what is 
> "/e/n/i", and what particular evidences you have that namely 
> "networkmangler" overwrites "/e/n/i".

=NetworkManager overwrites /etc/network/interfaces. Sheesh, part of the 
"slang-guage" for decades.

MetworkManager has well earned that alias. I have made it a habit to 
remove the x attribute of that headache.  Funny thing, even as far back 
as wheezy, absolutely nothing had the chutzpah to log it wasn't 
executable. Its gradually been made remove-able but early on removing it 
tore down the system to where it could only be re-installed from the 
install cd's. It was a solution to a problem we never had unless you 
were carrying a lappy into ever library on the planet.

> I am not familiar with QIDI, kiauth.sh, and similar 3rd party stuff.
> 
> What I see in your messages are false claims, e.g. that DHCP addresses 
> are unstable. DHCP servers *may* be configured to assign fixed addresses 
> to particular clients.
> 
My ISP does that, so my exterior net address has been stable for over a 
decade, but I've tried it 2-3 times in the 2000's and got unstable 
addresses from  the distro versions of dhcp every time.

My ISP gives the router a stable address because its linked to the MAC 
of the router, so while I have 2 interchangeable routers, the backup has 
cloned its MAC to match, so my net cost to run a web page on this 
machine is the namecheap 5 year fee of $20 the last time I paid it.  But 
the whole, several gigabyte page was lost a year ago when two quite new, 
2T seagates went tits down in the night within 2 days of each other, one 
was my boot drive, the other vtapes from Amanda. That was the last straw 
and today 8 machines here have only 2 spinning rust drives remaining.

They will be replaced with SSD's when I bring those buster machines up 
to bookworm or Trixie.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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time question, as in ntp? gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-11-29 19:00 +0100
  Re: time question, as in ntp? Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2023-11-29 19:20 +0100
    Re: time question, as in ntp? gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-11-29 19:40 +0100
  Re: time question, as in ntp? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2023-11-29 19:20 +0100
    Re: time question, as in ntp? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-11-29 20:10 +0100
      Re: time question, as in ntp? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2023-11-29 20:20 +0100
        Re: time question, as in ntp? Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-11-30 01:30 +0100
      Re: time question, as in ntp? gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-11-29 22:00 +0100
        Re: time question, as in ntp? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2023-11-30 00:00 +0100
          Re: time question, as in ntp? gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-11-30 01:40 +0100
            Re: time question, as in ntp? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2023-11-30 11:40 +0100
              Re: time question, as in ntp? gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-11-30 11:50 +0100
          Re: time question, as in ntp? Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-11-30 03:50 +0100
            Re: time question, as in ntp? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2023-11-30 11:50 +0100
  Re: time question, as in ntp? John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2023-11-29 19:30 +0100
    Re: time question, as in ntp? gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-11-29 20:00 +0100
      Re: time question, as in ntp? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-11-29 20:30 +0100
        Re: time question, as in ntp? "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2023-11-29 21:00 +0100
          Re: time question, as in ntp? gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-11-30 01:10 +0100
        Re: time question, as in ntp? gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-11-30 01:00 +0100
          Re: time question, as in ntp? John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2023-11-30 02:30 +0100
            Re: time question, as in ntp? gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-11-30 03:00 +0100
              Re: time question, as in ntp? Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2023-11-30 03:50 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-11-30 05:20 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2023-11-30 05:40 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-11-30 10:20 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> - 2023-11-30 05:50 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> - 2023-11-30 05:50 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2023-11-30 11:50 +0100
              Re: time question, as in ntp? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2023-11-30 11:50 +0100
          Re: time question, as in ntp? Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-11-30 03:40 +0100
            Re: time question, as in ntp? gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-11-30 05:10 +0100
              Re: time question, as in ntp? Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-11-30 06:00 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-11-30 10:20 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-11-30 13:20 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-11-30 11:20 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-11-30 13:40 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-11-30 14:20 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-11-30 20:00 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-11-30 19:50 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-12-01 03:40 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-12-01 04:30 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2023-12-01 05:10 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-12-01 11:10 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2023-12-01 18:00 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-12-01 19:50 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2023-12-01 20:30 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-12-01 05:20 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-12-01 11:50 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2023-12-01 12:40 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-12-01 16:30 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-12-01 20:30 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-12-01 20:50 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-12-01 23:00 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-12-01 23:40 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-12-02 12:20 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-12-02 08:50 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-12-01 08:40 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2023-12-01 19:30 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-12-01 22:30 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2023-12-02 03:40 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-12-02 11:50 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2023-11-30 15:20 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-11-30 20:10 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-11-30 20:20 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2023-11-30 21:00 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2023-11-30 21:30 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-12-01 03:10 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2023-12-01 04:10 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-12-01 04:40 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2023-12-01 05:20 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2023-12-01 06:10 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2023-12-01 11:50 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-12-01 12:00 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2023-12-01 12:30 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-12-01 14:30 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2023-12-01 15:40 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-12-01 19:50 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-12-01 14:30 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2023-12-01 14:50 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-12-01 19:50 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-12-01 04:20 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2023-11-30 15:20 +0100
      Re: time question, as in ntp? Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-11-30 17:20 +0100
        Re: time question, as in ntp? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-11-30 19:10 +0100
          Re: time question, as in ntp? gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-12-01 02:40 +0100
        Re: time question, as in ntp? Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-12-01 17:30 +0100
          Re: time question, as in ntp? Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-12-01 21:50 +0100
          Re: time question, as in ntp? Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2023-12-02 00:10 +0100
            Re: time question, as in ntp? John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2023-12-02 17:40 +0100
              Re: time question, as in ntp? Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-12-04 04:10 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2023-12-04 05:40 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-12-04 11:10 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-12-04 10:50 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2023-12-04 15:40 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-12-04 15:40 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2023-12-04 16:00 +0100
                Re: time question, as in ntp? Tom Dial <tddial@comcast.net> - 2023-12-05 09:40 +0100
  Re: time question, as in ntp? Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2023-11-29 20:20 +0100
    Re: time question, as in ntp? gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-11-29 22:20 +0100

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