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Re: Future of KDE packages in Debian

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Dear Aurélien.

Aurélien COUDERC - 23.01.22, 23:17:32 CET:
> please consider that events being commented here have already
> happened, had consequences and it’s not like you can go back in time.
> 
> Debian like most human groups has rules on how to become and stay a
> member of the community. If you’re interested in them you can find
> pointers at : https://wiki.debian.org/DAManager
> The discussions on this have long passed usefulness and are more and
> more offtopic for a Debian mailing list for KDE users.

I think when Debian account managers remove Debian developer status from 
someone who contributed a lot to KDE packages in Debian, it is fair 
enough for users to express their frustration with that.

Muting discussion is a pattern I have seen so often in Debian that I 
meanwhile unsubscribed from various development related mailing lists of 
Debian. Also cause it hurt reading what I read there. I am not a Debian 
developer and this in part is cause as my motivation increased to become 
one I saw more and more that Debian at least in part has become a toxic 
environment. I do not like to be involved with the kind of politics I 
have seen in Debian in the last years. In my perception it certainly did 
not get better.

That written, I don't know what it was this time. I cannot say for sure 
whether it was justified or not. I could try to dig it all up, but most 
likely after I try to read the mails related to this I would have more 
question marks than before. I would not be surprised if there would not 
at least be two sides of the story. Both perfectly valid. And the 
solution would have been to talk *with* one another in a constructive 
way.

I am not (yet) ready to jump ship at the moment. Well in part I did by 
moving to Devuan cause of the utter failure within Debian to resolve the 
conflict regarding the introduction of Systemd, however, I understand 
perfectly well that without the activity of the Debian Qt/KDE team there 
would be no KDE Plasma and Co in Devuan.

I am grateful for that.

But at the same time I feel it is fair enough for users of KDE software 
in Debian to express their frustration with what happened in a 
*respectful* way.

From what I have seen happening within Debian within the last years, I 
am not likely to increase my formal engagement with the project unless 
there would be an in-depth transformation process of the culture 
regarding how to handle conflict within the project. I am just not ready 
to deal with the amount of toxicity I have seen within the last years. 
There is a culture within Debian to stifle conflict instead of moving 
through and then resolving it, and that clearly doesn't work. Conflicts 
are a natural part of human relationships.

It is sad, cause on the other hand I usually got along well with members 
of the Qt/KDE team and at least helped a bit here and there, not with 
packaging, but with communication with users, bug triaging and things 
like that.

Fortunately enough KDE project mostly appears to be a much more 
welcoming place.

It is sad to see what is happening from within Debian to Debian, but I 
see myself not in a position to do much about it.

Best,
-- 
Martin

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    Re: Future of "his" packages in Debian Martin Steigerwald <martin@lichtvoll.de> - 2022-01-21 00:20 +0100
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        Re: Future of "his" packages in Debian Luc Castermans <luc.castermans@gmail.com> - 2022-01-21 08:00 +0100
        Re: Future of "his" packages in Debian Dietz Proepper <dietz@scanthis.de> - 2022-01-23 14:00 +0100
          Re: Future of "his" packages in Debian Luc Castermans <luc.castermans@gmail.com> - 2022-01-23 19:00 +0100
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              Re: Future of KDE packages in Debian Aurélien COUDERC <coucouf@debian.org> - 2022-01-23 23:20 +0100
                Re: Future of KDE packages in Debian Martin Steigerwald <martin@lichtvoll.de> - 2022-01-24 00:00 +0100
                Re: Future of KDE packages in Debian Dietz Proepper <dietz@scanthis.de> - 2022-01-24 00:40 +0100
                Re: Future of KDE packages in Debian Norbert Preining <norbert@preining.info> - 2022-01-24 01:10 +0100
                Re: Future of KDE packages in Debian Marco Valli <marco@bastardi.net> - 2022-01-24 11:50 +0100
                Re: Future of KDE packages in Debian Luigi Toscano <luigi.toscano@tiscali.it> - 2022-01-24 12:00 +0100
                Re: Future of KDE packages in Debian Luc Castermans <luc.castermans@gmail.com> - 2022-01-24 12:20 +0100
                Re: Future of KDE packages in Debian Norbert Preining <norbert@preining.info> - 2022-01-24 14:10 +0100
    Re: Future of "his" packages in Debian Aurélien COUDERC <libre@coucouf.fr> - 2022-01-21 08:20 +0100
      Re: Future of "his" packages in Debian piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2022-01-22 14:00 +0100
        Re: Future of "his" packages in Debian Luc Castermans <luc.castermans@gmail.com> - 2022-01-22 14:40 +0100
  Re: Future of "his" packages in Debian Dietz Proepper <dietz@scanthis.de> - 2022-01-22 09:50 +0100
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