Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

From	David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things
Date	2022-01-03 04:00 +0100
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On Sat 18 Dec 2021 at 11:24:34 (-0500), Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote:
> On Friday 17 December 2021 11:53:20 am David Wright wrote:
> > > > > Some of the things I'm dealing with are:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 1. An annoying blue dot showed up in my taskbar.  
> > > > > Right-clicking on this gave me an option to "quit",  which I would do,  
> > > > > and then within a few seconds it would come right back again!  I finally 
> > > > > tracked this down to being "KDEaccessible",  which I've done nothing to 
> > > > > invoke and don't know why the upgrade put that in there.  I solved the 
> > > > > problem by using synaptic to uninstall the package,  since I have no use 
> > > > > for it.
> > > > 
> > > > This one is solved for the moment, then.
> > > 
> > > Yeah,  but why the heck did this get turned on in the first place?  Or even installed?
> > 
> > One might hypothesise that
> > . you run KDE, and KDE makes cvhanges that aren't always popular with
> >   every user.
> > . KDE recommends kdeaccessibility depends on kaccessible.
> > . KDE make changes to kaccessible for people who require and use it.
> >   Seems reasonable.
> 
> Yeah,  except that I don't run KDE.  I do have it installed,  to be able to access certain programs that come with it,  but my desktop environment of choice is currently Xfce.

My understanding is that when you install a package like KDE,
there's an assumption that you'll probably want to run it, and
so it configures the system on that basis.

I should point out that kdeaccessibility is only recommended by
kde-full and task-kde-desktop. I see nothing that even recommends
kde-full. The full live-task-kde obviously depends on
task-kde-desktop, but I assume you didn't install that; only
education-desktop-kde recommends task-kde-desktop. So I can't
see why you would need to install anything that pulled in
kdeaccessibility if you're just running KDE programs.

> > > > > 2. My virtual (older) Slackware virtualbox install is seeing a few issues.
> > 
> > > Under Slackware it's a very old version of KDE,  which I much prefer to the newer stuff.
> > 
> > Yes, that's what I meant above. I think there's a cohort who use TDE instead.
> 
> I have looked into that,  but haven't gone there (yet).  Not sure if I'm going to.
> 
> (snip)
> 
> There remains the sound issue in the virtualbox.  Could it be that Debian isn't running PulseAudio but something else?  That would account for the guest OS not being able to talk to it...

No idea; you'd have to check this for yourself. ISTR there may be
issues with pulseaudio if it's running as a system daemon rather
than for the logged-in user, but I don't know the details.

Cheers,
David.

Thread

8 -> 9 update changing things "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2021-12-16 20:40 +0100
  Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-12-16 20:50 +0100
    Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2021-12-16 23:00 +0100
      Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-12-17 00:20 +0100
        Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2021-12-17 01:50 +0100
          Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2021-12-17 04:50 +0100
      Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-12-17 18:00 +0100
        Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things rhkramer@gmail.com - 2021-12-18 14:50 +0100
          Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-12-18 15:50 +0100
        Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2021-12-18 17:30 +0100
          Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-12-19 09:20 +0100
            Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2021-12-19 19:30 +0100
              Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-12-20 00:10 +0100
                Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2021-12-20 16:10 +0100
                Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2021-12-22 17:10 +0100
                Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-12-22 17:40 +0100
                Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2021-12-24 18:40 +0100
          Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2022-01-03 04:00 +0100
            Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2022-01-03 20:10 +0100
              Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2022-01-11 13:20 +0100
                Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2022-01-11 14:20 +0100
                Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2022-01-11 17:10 +0100
                Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2022-01-11 17:30 +0100
                Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2022-01-11 18:30 +0100
                Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2022-01-11 18:50 +0100
                Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2022-01-11 19:10 +0100
                Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2022-01-11 17:30 +0100
                Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2022-01-11 18:50 +0100
                Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2022-01-11 19:40 +0100
                Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things Kushal Kumaran <kushal@locationd.net> - 2022-01-12 03:30 +0100
                Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2022-01-11 21:10 +0100
                Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2022-01-11 22:40 +0100

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