Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

From	"Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things
Date	2021-12-24 18:40 +0100
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On Wednesday 22 December 2021 11:21:47 am Dan Ritter wrote:
> Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: 
> > On Monday 20 December 2021 10:09:56 am Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote:
> > > > > Suggestions as to where I might look for the problem?
> > > > 
> > > > In general, that message means that even if there is a copy of
> > > > the pulseaudio daemon running, it is not running with the right
> > > > userid and the X11 session you are running in doesn't know about
> > > > it.
> > > > 
> > > > Run "pulseaudio --start" and try again.
> > > 
> > > That did get the volume control as invoked from the Xfce applications menu working,  all right.  Looking in the process table that I see under KDE System Monitor (what I usually use to keep track of system loading) I now see pulseaudio in there twice.  One shows the command you mention here,  and the other one doesn't,  and says "daemonize=no".  I'm guessing that's the problem,  where to fix it is another question.  Mousing over it I also see "parent=systemd" for both of them...
> > > 
> > > Looking at "man systemd",  nothing jumps out at me with regard to where I want to go from here.

?

> > With this having been done,  after restarting the virtualbox instance,  sound is now working there also.  What I might need to fiddle with in terms of systemd is not at all clear to me,  though.  I don't know why this would have changed with the upgrade.

Yes,  it's things changing when I upgrade that bother me about all of this...

> > Any further thoughts on this? 
> 
> Since it just happened... I'll say that pulseaudio is easily on
> the same level of reliability as Windows 95. I decided to test
> out the advertised capability of a music player as a USB DAC. As
> soon as I got things plugged in, the pulseaudio daemon crashed.
> After I restarted it, the pulseeffects equalizer service froze. 
> After I restarted that, pulseeffects decided that it would be a
> good idea to use the USB microphone as both default input and
> output...

I don't know enough about what you're dealing with there to comment on this.
 
> It's currently working. But I'd so much rather have systems that
> didn't think that they should switch configurations
> automatically, since PA is so terrible at reading my mind.
> 
> Anyway, upgrade to bullseye.

I'll get there.  But before I continue with upgrades,  I intend to fix what's broken,  and maybe trim some of the fat out of the system as it stands,  so I don't end up having to download and upgrade stuff I don't use or don't want.

In my initial install,  I selected multiple desktop environments,  so I could try them out.  While I was fine with real early versions of KDE,  I don't like where they've gone with it so I don't use it as a desktop,  though I do use a few of the utilities.  I seem to be seeing bits of stuff running,  though,  that shouldn't be.  And also from some of the other choices.  I need to clean that up a bit,  I think,  in addition to the above...

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8 -> 9 update changing things "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2021-12-16 20:40 +0100
  Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-12-16 20:50 +0100
    Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2021-12-16 23:00 +0100
      Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-12-17 00:20 +0100
        Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2021-12-17 01:50 +0100
          Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2021-12-17 04:50 +0100
      Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-12-17 18:00 +0100
        Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things rhkramer@gmail.com - 2021-12-18 14:50 +0100
          Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-12-18 15:50 +0100
        Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2021-12-18 17:30 +0100
          Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-12-19 09:20 +0100
            Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2021-12-19 19:30 +0100
              Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-12-20 00:10 +0100
                Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2021-12-20 16:10 +0100
                Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2021-12-22 17:10 +0100
                Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-12-22 17:40 +0100
                Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2021-12-24 18:40 +0100
          Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2022-01-03 04:00 +0100
            Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2022-01-03 20:10 +0100
              Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2022-01-11 13:20 +0100
                Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2022-01-11 14:20 +0100
                Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2022-01-11 17:10 +0100
                Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2022-01-11 17:30 +0100
                Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2022-01-11 18:30 +0100
                Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2022-01-11 18:50 +0100
                Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2022-01-11 19:10 +0100
                Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2022-01-11 17:30 +0100
                Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2022-01-11 18:50 +0100
                Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2022-01-11 19:40 +0100
                Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things Kushal Kumaran <kushal@locationd.net> - 2022-01-12 03:30 +0100
                Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2022-01-11 21:10 +0100
                Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2022-01-11 22:40 +0100

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