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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.c |
| Subject | Re: Rape in the Bible [was: Re: Why is Jesus the only way?] |
| Date | 2017-05-07 11:44 -0700 |
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On 5/7/17, 6:08 AM, in article
20170507160840.4ea045a8bdb6462c349a41d5@gmail.com, "Anton Shepelev"
<anton.txt@gmail.com> wrote:
> Snit:
>
>> Deuteronomy 22:28-29а:
>>
>> If a man is caught in the act of raping a young
>> woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty
>> pieces of silver to her father. Then he must
>> marry the young woman because he violated her,
>> and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
>>
>> Yeah: the bible says a rapist must pay fifty
>> pieces of silver and then the ictim is forced to
>> marry the rapist.
>
> No, the rapist is forced to marry the victim.
I do not see the hair you are splitting. They are forced to marry each
other. That is reprehensible.
>> What a horrid lesson. Makes me want to puke.
>>
>> And that is just one of the horrid lessons and
>> stories of rape in the bible.
>
> Looks like a genuine anti-rape law to me
Forcing a victim of rape to marry the rapist is NOT an anti-rape law in ay
way, shape, or form. It is repulsive and very pro-rape. It encourages rape
foe any man who wants to marry a woman who has rejected him. Just rape her
and she is FORCED to marry him.
Just sickening. Seriously, how can anyone read that without being repulsed?
> that will make any man think twice before attempting a rape, because that
> may be the last rape in his life, and the last woman in his life.
A man rapes someone, is caught, and is forced to marry his victim... and you
think he will not rape her again? Of course he will. Again and again and
again. For years.
Or do you think once the victim is forced to marry her rapist she will
suddenly find true love and accept him willingly?
> It is also quite expen- sive and has serious consequences.
Expensive! Poor guy... he rapes a woman and is then "given" her like she was
a hunk of meat where he can rape her over and over and over and you are
concerned it might cost him some money to be married to her!
Seriously: WTF!
> I don't see why you think it supports rape in some-
> wise.
How can you not?
> Wikipedia has a page on the matter:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_the_Hebrew_Bible
From the page you linked to:
-----
Tarico was critical of Deuteronomy 22:28-29, saying that "The
punishments for rape have to do not with compassion or trauma to the
woman herself but with honor, tribal purity, and a sense that a used
woman is damaged goods."[14]
Cheryl Anderson, in her book Ancient Laws and Contemporary
Controversies: The Need for Inclusive Bible Interpretation,
discusses an anecdote about a student, who, when exposed to the
passages in Deuteronomy, said that "This is the word of God. If it
says slavery is okay, slavery is okay. If it says rape is okay, rape
is okay."[33] Elaborating on this, she states in response to these
passages, "Clearly, these laws do not take into account the female's
perspective. After a rape, [the victim] would undoubtedly see
herself as the injured party and would probably find marriage to her
rapist to be distasteful, to say the least. Arguably, there are
cultural and historical reasons why such a law made sense at the
time. [...] Just the same, the law communicates the message that
faith tradition does not (and should not) consider the possibility
that women might have different yet valid perspectives."[34]
-----
You skip that and reference the next section which starts with:
-----
In a piece for TheBlaze <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TheBlaze> ,
a variety of religious scholars condemn the idea that the Bible
supported rape. They write that the rape discussed in Deuteronomy
was not criminal rape, ...
-----
NOT CRIMINAL RAPE.
Let that sink in.
NOT CRIMINAL RAPE
That is the defense... that rape was decriminalized that it would somehow
make sense? Then it goes on:
-----
that a woman could opt out of marrying her rapist,
-----
Completely made up. Not in that law at all. But it goes on:
-----
and that the law was created to protect the woman
-----
A law forcing a woman to marry her rapist and spend a lifetime of being
raped over and over, and treating her like property is now being twisted to
be a law designed to protect her!
How can you read this stuff without wanting to puke?
> includeing a link to an article:
>
>
> http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/07/26/fact-check-does-the-bible-really-su
> pport-rape-and-polygamy-theblaze-explores-atheists-critiques/
>
> Does bible pretend these laws to be direct word of
> God?
Some do... and if so then God is evil.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.
They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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