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Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop) computer

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On Ma, 28 sep 21, 10:28:49, Cindy Sue Causey wrote:
> On 9/28/21, tomas@tuxteam.de <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 09:00:47AM -0400, Henning Follmann wrote:
> >> On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 09:41:22AM +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> >> > On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 04:47:07PM -0400, Henning Follmann wrote:
> >> >
> >> > [...]
> >> >
> >> > > And N-M is not "buggy". [...]
> >> >
> >> > Uh-huh.
> >>
> >> What a great argument!
> >
> > I don't care very much about N-M. It's not the kind of software I
> > enjoy. Too complex for my taste. De gustibus...
> 
> 
> I started to chime in last night, but my brain took a vacation. Maybe
> the "complex" was what happened to me, too.
> 
> Last night I was only going to say "nm" didn't used to (and may still
> not) play nice with similar packages installed on the same machine. It
> was an either/or situation. I took the "or" with wicd then wicd-curses
> and have never looked back.

With me it was the other way around. I tried wicd, mostly based on the 
bad reputation of Network Manager, but it was unreliable when switching 
between wired and wireless.

Eventually I switched to Network Manager and never had any significant 
problem since.

This was on unstable, somewhere around the release of wheezy, and I 
would frequently switch the laptop between wired and wireless.

> That's with hardwires, though. I haven't
> had an excuse to spend time duking it out with attaching wireless.

Wouldn't bother with a "heavy" manager for wired only. ifupdown and more 
recently systemd-networkd is more than enough.
 
> What fried my brain last night was on trying to remember if nm had
> been too "complicated" and thus not user-friendly for *me*. I still
> see other people rave about it. That's cool. At the end of the day, it
> means our brains function (comprehend) differently, but we all seem to
> be arriving at the same place: Connected to whatever it is we need to
> use. That's where the beauty of Debian offering CHOICE comes into
> play.

For me it's just a piece of software that does what I need it to do.

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop  computer <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-09-27 17:00 +0200
  Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop  computer David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-09-27 17:40 +0200
    Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop  computer Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> - 2021-09-27 19:10 +0200
      Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop  computer Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-09-27 21:10 +0200
        Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop  computer Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> - 2021-09-27 22:50 +0200
          Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop  computer <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-09-28 09:50 +0200
            buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an  old laptop) computer Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> - 2021-09-28 15:10 +0200
              Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on  an old laptop) computer Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2021-09-28 15:20 +0200
                Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface  on an old laptop) computer Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> - 2021-09-28 16:20 +0200
              Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface  on an old laptop) computer <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-09-28 16:20 +0200
                Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on  an old laptop) computer Cindy Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2021-09-28 16:40 +0200
                Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface  on an old laptop) computer <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-09-28 17:30 +0200
                Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface  on an old laptop) computer Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 09:30 +0200
                Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface  on an old laptop) computer Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-09-28 20:20 +0200
                Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface  on an old laptop) computer Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-09-28 21:00 +0200
                Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface  on an old laptop) computer Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-09-28 21:30 +0200
                Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface  on an old laptop) computer <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-09-29 08:50 +0200
                Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on  an old laptop) computer Markus Schönhaber <debian-user@list-post.mks-mail.de> - 2021-09-29 09:40 +0200
              Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on  an old laptop) computer Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2021-09-29 06:10 +0200
          Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop  computer Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-09-28 11:40 +0200
            Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop computer Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2021-09-28 14:40 +0200
    Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop  computer Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-09-27 21:10 +0200
  Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop  computer Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-09-27 21:10 +0200

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