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buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop) computer

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On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 09:41:22AM +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 04:47:07PM -0400, Henning Follmann wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > And N-M is not "buggy". [...]
> 
> Uh-huh.
> 

What a great argument!

But I play along.
Are there bugs filed against N-M? Yes there are!
Are there reasons why people have issues with N-M? You bet!

Up until Jessie N-M had a lot of issues and missing features, which led to
the bad reputation of N-M. Most of these issue stem from the
mis/not - understanding of ipc mechanisms, espescially with
wpasupplicant. This often resultet in some "hacked" setups when
(semi-)information from the internet resulted in unstable configurations,
leading to more inaccurate information, when those results where shared
online.

But since buster, if you trust the work and knowledge of the
package maintainers N-M results in reliable network configurations
when we are talking about a default desktop setup. Most issues here
are mainly related to propietary drivers from various chip
manufacturers and not an N-M issue.

My comment to the OP was basically on the nebulous source (most VPN Providers)
and the generalized categorization (N-M is buggy), which I disagree with.

-H


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Henning Follmann           | hfollmann@itcfollmann.com

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Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop  computer <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-09-27 17:00 +0200
  Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop  computer David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-09-27 17:40 +0200
    Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop  computer Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> - 2021-09-27 19:10 +0200
      Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop  computer Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-09-27 21:10 +0200
        Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop  computer Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> - 2021-09-27 22:50 +0200
          Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop  computer <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-09-28 09:50 +0200
            buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an  old laptop) computer Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> - 2021-09-28 15:10 +0200
              Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on  an old laptop) computer Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2021-09-28 15:20 +0200
                Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface  on an old laptop) computer Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> - 2021-09-28 16:20 +0200
              Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface  on an old laptop) computer <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-09-28 16:20 +0200
                Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on  an old laptop) computer Cindy Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2021-09-28 16:40 +0200
                Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface  on an old laptop) computer <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-09-28 17:30 +0200
                Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface  on an old laptop) computer Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 09:30 +0200
                Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface  on an old laptop) computer Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-09-28 20:20 +0200
                Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface  on an old laptop) computer Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-09-28 21:00 +0200
                Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface  on an old laptop) computer Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-09-28 21:30 +0200
                Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface  on an old laptop) computer <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-09-29 08:50 +0200
                Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on  an old laptop) computer Markus Schönhaber <debian-user@list-post.mks-mail.de> - 2021-09-29 09:40 +0200
              Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on  an old laptop) computer Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2021-09-29 06:10 +0200
          Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop  computer Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-09-28 11:40 +0200
            Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop computer Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2021-09-28 14:40 +0200
    Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop  computer Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-09-27 21:10 +0200
  Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop  computer Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-09-27 21:10 +0200

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