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Re: done

From Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: done
Date 2016-05-01 15:59 -0700
Message-ID <D34BD87C.71938%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> (permalink)
References (11 earlier) <D34BC05D.71903%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> <fhjgd003.afa3@rooftop.invalid> <D34BC77F.7190D%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> <t7WdnfrbK4oT5rvKnZ2dnUU7-W_NnZ2d@giganews.com> <ng60ee$fj5$3@dont-email.me>

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On 5/1/16, 3:37 PM, in article ng60ee$fj5$3@dont-email.me, "meat"
<meat.stretcher@linuxmail.org> wrote:

> On Sun, 01 May 2016 14:56:32 -0700, Marek Novotny wrote:
> 
>> On 2016-05-01, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> 
>> // snip
>> 
>>> I could use wget if I wanted to... heck, I even have a GUI wrapper for
>>> it. The claim I cannot do so is just silly... another lie from you.
>>> 
>>> I also showed you and even highlighted all the timing for one of my
>>> solutions. The video I point to time and time again shows it:
>>> 
>>> * Download as PDFs all the recipes from the homepage of allrecipes.com (Owl
>>> is the one who suggested this). I did several versions... here is one:
>>> <https://youtu.be/_J4PppWroWY>. Mine not only worked, but the PDF had
>>> selectable text and allowed me to do quick searches on ingredients and the
>>> like... something Owl was never able to do on Linux. Worked so well that he
>>> and Peter Köhlmann insisted it must have been faked.
>>> 
>>> Jump to the 1:00 mark and you can see all the details. Then I show the
>>> PDFs and how the text can be selected and all how I can do with it as I
>>> do with any text - look things up, etc. Worked great!
>>> 
>>> Now you were doing yours with the command line and may have eventually
>>> found a faster solution... if I recall correctly that is what we
>>> decided. But yours created PDFs that were bigger and you could not do
>>> any of the lookups or the like I could do.
>>> 
>>> But the bigger point here is you just assumed I would go against my own
>>> self-interest and fake it and Peter jumped in to agree. In that case I
>>> was able to do you the favor of proving you wrong. With your current
>>> accusation there is no way to prove you wrong, but your evidence is no
>>> stronger and makes no more sense.
>>> 
>>> And now you say you do not even recall making your false accusations!
>>> Insane.
>>> 
>>> My advice: Stick to tech. Come up with other tasks. Stop making false
>>> accusations you cannot back.
>> 
>> Isn't there a simple way to solve this problem? Why don't you, Snit,
>> simply provide your script/method such that it can run on someone else's
>> machine?
>> 
>> If I write a bash shell script, I publish it so everyone can use it and
>> give me feedback. I don't make a video of it, I just give the source
>> code away and they can run it themselves.
>> 
>> Same thing here, yes? Just publish the method so it can be duplicated by
>> anyone else and thus confirmed.
> 
> Why waste your time? It's obvious that this challenge was carefully
> crafted to focus on Linux's weak points and at the same time showcase
> OSX's strong points.

Why would Owl do that? It was his task... not mine.

> Who cares?
> The same can be done for Linux vs OSX or Windows or z/OS or OS/400 or any
> system.

Why not show some tasks... you can make your point. I certainly am not going
to say OS X is the best at all things! We can learn about the pros and cons
of different systems and learn how different people approach problems. Would
be a great way to learn and advocate.

> And even if you take the time to script it out the antagonist will move
> the goal post, focus on some minor point and keep the spider web growing
> as the discussion finally ends up like a hydra where as soon as you cut
> off one head by disproving one of his points, three other heads grow back
> in it's place. It will become a never ending discussion until the point
> where you decide to ignore his idiocy and tricks at which point he will
> probably claim you lost the challenge.

Owl did some of that by changing it to work with local files... but overall
the task comparison went well!

> Unless your goal is to have some fun lighting him up and watching him
> squeal like a stuck pig I don't see anything positive coming from it.
> 
> By the way, what is this obsession with recopies? Is this guy a cook,
> chef or something similar?

I admit I never quite got the purpose of Owl's task... but whatever. It was
good to see how different systems were used and different people think
through a problem. I have no complaints with him picking a task I thought
was a bit odd.  


-- 
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* Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu:     <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE>
* Mint KDE working with folders:    <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0>
* Mint KDE creating files:          <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8>
* Mint KDE help:                    <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8>
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* OS / Word Processor Comparison:   <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>

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                Re: done Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-05-01 14:56 -0700
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