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Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop) computer

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On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 19:52:19 +0100
Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:

> On Tue 28 Sep 2021 at 19:12:27 +0100, Joe wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 16:12:21 +0200
> > <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:
> >   
> > >..
> > > 
> > > But this wasn't my point. My point was rather that it is going out
> > > on a thin limb to say a complex piece of software isn't "buggy".
> > >   
> > It's a matter of degree. All software has bugs, even if you haven't
> > seen them yet.  
> 
> Never a truer word. This is the "keep them on tenterhools" style of
> support.
>  
> > But only some software can be fairly described as 'buggy'. I have no
> > hesitation at all in declaring most of libreoffice to fall into this
> > category, with Base still virtually unusable i.e. extremely buggy.
> > Calc isn't too bad. Volume of users, I suppose, but Base will never
> > gain many users in its present state.  
> 
> I have never used libreoffice. You have succeeded in persuading me
> never to install it.

I didn't say it wasn't useful. I use Calc quite heavily, Draw and
Writer occasionally. I have tried hard to use Base, it would be
excellent for quick-and-dirty interfaces...if it worked. As it is, for
Q&D I tend to use phpmyedit, or php itself for something more
permanent. I still miss MS Access, by far the best bit of software they
ever made.
>  
> > Claws-Mail verges on 'buggy', with frequent crashes. Firefox on my
> > unstable has blown through buggy and burst out of the other side. I
> > can only name two commercial websites which do not crash its tabs
> > within about thirty seconds. And that's after reinstalling it and
> > all its dependencies. I haven't bothered reporting it because I'm
> > obviously the only person seeing this. I blame JavaScript, as I do
> > with most web infelicities.  
> 
> The one machine here with Claws-Mail has *never* seen a crash due to
> it (or anything else, for that matter). What am I doing wrong?

Not running unstable? Not running a very old unstable?
> 
> Firefox? Works. Well.

As it does on my other Linux machines. And Windows, for that matter.
The problem is some part of my unstable environment.
>  
> > But my unstable desktop, including hardware, is in its last weeks of
> > life, so I'm not putting too much effort into fixing things. A new
> > installation should fix a multitude of sins.  
> 
> New installation? Another sid? That should make a difference.
> 
I would have thought so. A new installation should be different in a
great many small ways, as an upgraded system will never be identical
to a new one installed using the same software. This one, as far as I
can tell, has been in continuous use for between twelve and fifteen
years, which I reckon to be a good age for an OS instance. Thanks to
Debian for making it even possible.

-- 
Joe

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Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop  computer <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-09-27 17:00 +0200
  Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop  computer David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-09-27 17:40 +0200
    Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop  computer Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> - 2021-09-27 19:10 +0200
      Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop  computer Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-09-27 21:10 +0200
        Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop  computer Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> - 2021-09-27 22:50 +0200
          Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop  computer <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-09-28 09:50 +0200
            buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an  old laptop) computer Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> - 2021-09-28 15:10 +0200
              Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on  an old laptop) computer Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2021-09-28 15:20 +0200
                Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface  on an old laptop) computer Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> - 2021-09-28 16:20 +0200
              Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface  on an old laptop) computer <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-09-28 16:20 +0200
                Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on  an old laptop) computer Cindy Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2021-09-28 16:40 +0200
                Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface  on an old laptop) computer <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-09-28 17:30 +0200
                Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface  on an old laptop) computer Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 09:30 +0200
                Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface  on an old laptop) computer Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-09-28 20:20 +0200
                Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface  on an old laptop) computer Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-09-28 21:00 +0200
                Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface  on an old laptop) computer Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-09-28 21:30 +0200
                Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface  on an old laptop) computer <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-09-29 08:50 +0200
                Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on  an old laptop) computer Markus Schönhaber <debian-user@list-post.mks-mail.de> - 2021-09-29 09:40 +0200
              Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on  an old laptop) computer Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2021-09-29 06:10 +0200
          Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop  computer Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-09-28 11:40 +0200
            Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop computer Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2021-09-28 14:40 +0200
    Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop  computer Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-09-27 21:10 +0200
  Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop  computer Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-09-27 21:10 +0200

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