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Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop) computer

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On Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 8:01 AM Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com>
wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 09:41:22AM +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 04:47:07PM -0400, Henning Follmann wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > And N-M is not "buggy". [...]
> >
> > Uh-huh.
> >
>
> What a great argument!
>
> But I play along.
> Are there bugs filed against N-M? Yes there are!
> Are there reasons why people have issues with N-M? You bet!
>
> Up until Jessie N-M had a lot of issues and missing features, which led to
> ....
> But since buster, if you trust the work and knowledge of the
> package maintainers N-M results in reliable network configurations
> when we are talking about a default desktop setup. Most issues here
> are mainly related to propietary drivers from various chip
> manufacturers and not an N-M issue.
>

But please stress your comment "when we are talking about a default desktop
setup". In the non-desktop server environment, N-M is disabled. Indeed it
is a type of risk. Last times I've been on AWS and Google cloud, their VM
instances also remove N-M. Same reason.
In these environments wifi does not exist, so network connections should be
known ahead of time, and a fixed set.

My comment to the OP was basically on the nebulous source (most VPN
> Providers)
> and the generalized categorization (N-M is buggy), which I disagree with.
>

That is not the view that I have heard expressed.
N-M is a 1-size-fits-all approach to network setup that only fits 1
use-case. But we all get to have it :-)
Some developers would call it "over engineered". That I agree with.

-H
>
>
> --
> Henning Follmann           | hfollmann@itcfollmann.com
>
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Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop  computer <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-09-27 17:00 +0200
  Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop  computer David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-09-27 17:40 +0200
    Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop  computer Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> - 2021-09-27 19:10 +0200
      Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop  computer Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-09-27 21:10 +0200
        Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop  computer Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> - 2021-09-27 22:50 +0200
          Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop  computer <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-09-28 09:50 +0200
            buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an  old laptop) computer Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> - 2021-09-28 15:10 +0200
              Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on  an old laptop) computer Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2021-09-28 15:20 +0200
                Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface  on an old laptop) computer Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> - 2021-09-28 16:20 +0200
              Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface  on an old laptop) computer <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-09-28 16:20 +0200
                Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on  an old laptop) computer Cindy Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2021-09-28 16:40 +0200
                Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface  on an old laptop) computer <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-09-28 17:30 +0200
                Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface  on an old laptop) computer Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 09:30 +0200
                Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface  on an old laptop) computer Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-09-28 20:20 +0200
                Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface  on an old laptop) computer Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-09-28 21:00 +0200
                Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface  on an old laptop) computer Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-09-28 21:30 +0200
                Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface  on an old laptop) computer <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-09-29 08:50 +0200
                Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on  an old laptop) computer Markus Schönhaber <debian-user@list-post.mks-mail.de> - 2021-09-29 09:40 +0200
              Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on  an old laptop) computer Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2021-09-29 06:10 +0200
          Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop  computer Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-09-28 11:40 +0200
            Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop computer Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2021-09-28 14:40 +0200
    Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop  computer Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-09-27 21:10 +0200
  Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop  computer Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-09-27 21:10 +0200

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