Re: Future Advances in Physics...

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Date	2015-12-21 17:12 -0800
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Subject	Re: Future Advances in Physics...
From	Timo <timo@physics.uq.edu.au>

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On Tuesday, December 22, 2015 at 6:21:26 AM UTC+10, Odd Bodkin wrote:
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> I didn't read that into anything Timo said. He was explaining, and I 
> agree, that lots of revolutionary physics is done all the time, and it 
> is rewarded with attention and impact if it pans out. Nobel prizes are 
> awarded for that kind of work. So the statement that revolutionary 
> physics is unilaterally suppressed is just an obvious falsehood.
> 
> He went on to say, and I agree, that revolutionary physics seems to be 
> almost always done by those are well trained by the physics 
> establishment and who publish in physics establishment publication 
> channels. It is almost always done by professional physicists, and you'd 
> be hard pressed to find a Nobel prize winner that wasn't.

Marconi and Dalen come to mind; industrial scientists. Dalen was an engineer rather than a physicist. Marconi studied under Righi, and Dalen did a PhD. Not outsiders, even if not mainstream physicists.

> This doesn't say that everyone else is being "disallowed" from talking 
> about "forbidden" subjects. What you will find is that lack of attention 
> for amateur physicists working on forbidden subjects is almost always 
> due to the crappy work done by them.

The lack of attention for professional physicists working on "forbidden" subjects (they exist, and their papers are often published) is also almost always due to the crappy work done by them. It isn't an amateur/professional divide, or an insider/outsider divide. Just a question of quality.

Amateurs still do a lot of useful discovery in science (in astronomy and biology, usually). Amateurs tend to do useful routine work, rather than useful revolutionary work.

Before the professionalisation (proletarianisation?) of science, amateurs regular did lots of revolutionary stuff, but that's because most scientists were amateurs. Note well that "amateur" was not the same as "outsider" back then. Faraday would be closest to an "outsider", but he worked in the system.

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Re: Future Advances in Physics... "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-12-19 12:17 -0800
  Re: Future Advances in Physics... Timo <timo@physics.uq.edu.au> - 2015-12-19 13:22 -0800
    Re: Future Advances in Physics... benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-12-21 03:27 -0500
      Re: Future Advances in Physics... Timo <timo@physics.uq.edu.au> - 2015-12-21 00:57 -0800
        Re: Future Advances in Physics... benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-21 14:00 -0500
          Re: Future Advances in Physics... Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-21 14:21 -0600
            Re: Future Advances in Physics... Timo <timo@physics.uq.edu.au> - 2015-12-21 17:12 -0800
              Re: Future Advances in Physics... benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-21 21:44 -0500
                Re: Future Advances in Physics... Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-22 07:53 -0600
                Re: Future Advances in Physics... benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-22 13:12 -0500
                Re: Future Advances in Physics... Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-22 12:34 -0600
                Re: Future Advances in Physics... benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-22 18:13 -0500
                Re: Future Advances in Physics... Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 08:14 -0600
                Re: Future Advances in Physics... benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 14:03 -0500
                Re: Future Advances in Physics... HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 16:16 -0800
                Re: Future Advances in Physics... "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2015-12-26 22:24 -0800
                Re: Future Advances in Physics... Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-12-27 14:03 -0800
                Re: Future Advances in Physics... HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 16:48 -0800
                Re: Future Advances in Physics... Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-22 12:38 -0600
                Re: Future Advances in Physics... benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-22 18:20 -0500
                Re: Future Advances in Physics... Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 08:16 -0600
                Re: Future Advances in Physics... benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 14:09 -0500
            Re: Future Advances in Physics... benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-21 21:20 -0500
              Re: Future Advances in Physics... Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-22 07:38 -0600
                Re: Future Advances in Physics... benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-22 13:03 -0500
                Re: Future Advances in Physics... Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-22 12:23 -0600
                Re: Future Advances in Physics... benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-22 17:56 -0500
                Re: Future Advances in Physics... Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-22 17:46 -0600
                Re: Future Advances in Physics... HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-12-22 20:11 -0800
                Re: Future Advances in Physics... john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 05:14 -0800
                Re: Future Advances in Physics... Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 08:21 -0600
                Re: Future Advances in Physics... john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-12-24 00:48 -0800
                Re: Future Advances in Physics... Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-24 11:13 -0600
              Re: Future Advances in Physics... Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-22 07:44 -0600
                Re: Future Advances in Physics... benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-22 13:05 -0500
                Re: Future Advances in Physics... Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-22 12:28 -0600
                Re: Future Advances in Physics... benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-22 18:03 -0500
                Re: Future Advances in Physics... Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 10:14 -0600
                Re: Future Advances in Physics... Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 10:32 -0600
                Re: Future Advances in Physics... benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 22:00 -0500
                Re: Future Advances in Physics... benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 21:57 -0500
                Re: Future Advances in Physics... Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-24 11:12 -0600
                Re: Future Advances in Physics... benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-24 21:19 -0500
                Re: Future Advances in Physics... Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-26 13:03 -0600
                Re: Future Advances in Physics... benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-12-26 14:12 -0500
                Re: Future Advances in Physics... "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2015-12-26 22:22 -0800

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