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Re: "Life" is virtual, not real.

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On 10/22/2015 03:56 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 22/10/2015 5:47 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
>> "Randomness" is ignorance, nothing more, nothing less.
>
> In the field of quantum mechanics there are good reasons to think that
> the randomness is inherent, and that it is not lack of knowledge that
> prevents us from knowing what will happen and when.
>
> That is, there is no underlying process about which we could in
> principle have knowledge, and thereby be able to look behind the
> randomness.
>
> Since quantum randomness affects the world we perceive, that means that
> at least some of the randomness we see in the world is not just a matter
> of ignorance.
>
> Sylvia.
>

too often the term random is used

for instance, is zero-point energy testable? no, you would have to 
observe it and introducing yourself or a Casimir apparatus inot the 
environment cancels out the zero

quantum physics went led cosmology into philosophy when there was no 
answer to Schroedinger's Cat besides his point, maybe consciousness is a 
5th dimension

-- 
Dale
http://www.dalekelly.org

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rolling dice is not random? Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> - 2015-10-21 17:47 -0400
  Re: rolling dice is not random? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-10-22 09:45 +1100
    Re: rolling dice is not random? Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> - 2015-10-21 20:12 -0400
      Re: rolling dice is not random? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-10-22 12:04 +1100
        Re: rolling dice is not random? Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> - 2015-10-21 22:21 -0400
          Re: "Life" is virtual, not real. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-10-22 18:56 +1100
            Re: "Life" is virtual, not real. "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> - 2015-10-22 03:09 -0700
            Re: "Life" is virtual, not real. Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> - 2015-10-22 16:36 -0400
              Re: "Life" is virtual, not real. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-10-22 23:49 -0400
            Re: The Ensemble Interpretation. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-10-23 11:32 +1100
              Re: The Ensemble Interpretation. Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> - 2015-10-22 20:40 -0400
                Re: The Ensemble Interpretation. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-10-23 11:50 +1100
              Re: Quantum Mechanics is statistical, not real. lucaspa <lucaspa@optonline.net> - 2015-10-24 11:21 -0700
              Re: Quantum Mechanics is statistical, not real. lucaspa <lucaspa@optonline.net> - 2015-10-24 11:34 -0700
          Re: "Life" is virtual, not real. The BORG <borg@future.com> - 2015-10-24 15:27 +0100
            Re: "Life" is virtual, not real. lucaspa <lucaspa@optonline.net> - 2015-10-24 11:13 -0700
            Re: "Life" is virtual, not real. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-10-25 13:54 +1100
        Re: rolling dice is not random? lucaspa <lucaspa@optonline.net> - 2015-10-23 12:04 -0700
        Re: rolling dice is not random? lucaspa <lucaspa@optonline.net> - 2015-10-23 12:07 -0700
      Re: rolling dice is not random? lucaspa <lucaspa@optonline.net> - 2015-10-23 11:54 -0700
  Re: rolling dice is not random? bilgat@m.nu - 2015-10-21 18:46 -0500
    Re: rolling dice is not random? Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> - 2015-10-21 20:13 -0400
  Re: rolling dice is not random? Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> - 2015-10-21 22:48 -0400
    Re: rolling dice is not random? John Ritson <j.ritson@hotmail.co.uk> - 2015-10-22 09:57 +0100
      Re: rolling dice is not random? Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> - 2015-10-22 16:32 -0400
        Re: rolling dice is not random? John Ritson <j.ritson@hotmail.co.uk> - 2015-10-22 22:53 +0100
          Re: rolling dice is not random? Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> - 2015-10-22 19:36 -0400
            Re: rolling dice is not random? John Ritson <j.ritson@hotmail.co.uk> - 2015-10-23 10:26 +0100
              Re: rolling dice is not random? "Kadaitcha Man" <nospam.nospam.nospam@sci.research.careers.i.have.shorter.stature.can.i.grow.taller> - 2015-10-24 09:56 +0000
  Re: rolling dice is not random? Hans Wussel <hanswussel@openmailbox.org> - 2015-10-22 19:40 +0200
    Re: rolling dice is not random? Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> - 2015-10-22 16:38 -0400
  Re: rolling dice is not random? lucaspa <lucaspa@optonline.net> - 2015-10-23 11:42 -0700

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