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Re: StageFright: QuickFix

From Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net>
Newsgroups de.alt.comm.android
Subject Re: StageFright: QuickFix
Date 2015-08-13 17:29 -0400
Organization albasani.net
Message-ID <87y4heop1z.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> (permalink)
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Jörg Tewes wrote on 12. August 2015:
>
> Andreas Kohlbach schrieb:
>
>> So sollte es Google IMO auch machen. Alte Android-Versionen noch für 
>> einen angemessenen Zeitraum - ich würde 4-5 Jahre vorschlagen - mit 
>> Updates zu versorgen (lifecycle), und den jeweiligen Herstellern
>> diese dann auch so lange zur Verfügung zu stellen, dass diese diese
>> einspielen können.
>
> Niemand hindert z.B. Samsung daran für das S3 ein Android 5.0 zur
> Verfügung zu stellen. Der Quellcode ist frei verfügbar. Insofern hat
> Goolge damit nix zu tun.

Ja, sorry. Ist nicht Googles Ding mehr. Aber des Herstellers, in deinem
Beispiel also Samsung.

[..]

> Auch einige Hersteller haben damit begonnen einige ihrer eigenen Apps
> über den Playstore zu updaten, [...]

Natürlich sollten Bugs ins Apps - die man vorher aus dem Store holte,
wieder über den Store mit Updates versorgt werden. So ist es ja auch.

Schade dass das für das OS selbst nicht geht. Denn eigentlich stellt
Google selbst den Patch bereit
<https://www.hkcert.org/my_url/en/alert/15072901> (ein Schreibfehler
unten im Zitat von mir korrigiert):

| It was reported that Google has already provided patches to the
| vulnerabilities. But due to the arrangement of different device
| manufactures, the update may not be pushed to their products via OTA
| immediately.

Dann ist ja "nur" eine (oder mehrere? Ich kann das gerade nicht finden
auf die Schnelle) Software-Bibliothek betroffen, die auf dem unter
Android laufenden Linux ist. Das sollte doch für keinen Hersteller ein so
großen Problem sein, die betroffene Datei durch die mit dem Fix
auszutauschen, und dann auf den Geräten der Kunden ersetzen zu lassen.
-- 
Andreas

I use a Unix based operating system, which means I get laid almost as often
as I have to reboot my computer.

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StageFright: QuickFix Peter Mairhofer <63832452@gmx.net> - 2015-07-28 00:37 +0200
  Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-07-28 03:04 +0200
    Re: StageFright: QuickFix Alexander Goetzenstein <alexander_goetzenstein@web.de> - 2015-07-28 08:44 +0200
      Re: StageFright: QuickFix Juergen Kah <machnixx@arcor.de> - 2015-08-06 20:32 +0200
        Re: StageFright: QuickFix Alexander Goetzenstein <alexander_goetzenstein@web.de> - 2015-08-06 21:11 +0200
          Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-06 21:43 +0200
            Re: StageFright: QuickFix Alexander Goetzenstein <alexander_goetzenstein@web.de> - 2015-08-07 00:00 +0200
              Re: StageFright: QuickFix Gert Link <gertlink_nospam@gmx.de> - 2015-08-07 00:45 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Alexander Goetzenstein <alexander_goetzenstein@web.de> - 2015-08-07 09:54 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-07 09:55 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Alexander Goetzenstein <alexander_goetzenstein@web.de> - 2015-08-07 12:41 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-07 13:34 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Stefan Kanthak" <postmaster@127.in-addr.arpa> - 2015-08-07 15:13 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-08-07 20:03 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-07 16:49 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-07 23:41 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-08 18:02 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-09 01:58 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-10 01:52 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-10 10:17 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Helmut@Hullen.de (Helmut Hullen) - 2015-08-10 12:46 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-10 18:11 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Helmut@Hullen.de (Helmut Hullen) - 2015-08-10 18:27 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-10 20:46 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Helmut@Hullen.de (Helmut Hullen) - 2015-08-10 21:37 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-11 00:15 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-10 14:02 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-10 18:21 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-08-10 19:38 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-10 20:51 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Alexander Goetzenstein <alexander_goetzenstein@web.de> - 2015-08-10 21:39 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-10 22:05 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-12 17:58 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-12 23:58 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Helmut@Hullen.de (Helmut Hullen) - 2015-08-13 04:33 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-13 12:02 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-13 13:41 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-13 19:14 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-18 09:19 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-18 17:37 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-18 21:47 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-19 03:53 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-19 10:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-19 11:43 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-19 12:09 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-19 13:12 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-19 18:18 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-19 16:08 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-20 10:35 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-19 19:46 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Juergen Kah <machnixx@arcor.de> - 2015-08-20 00:28 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-20 13:35 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-19 16:07 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-20 10:38 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-20 18:05 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-21 08:07 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Helmut@Hullen.de (Helmut Hullen) - 2015-08-13 15:03 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-14 16:02 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-13 08:31 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-13 12:26 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-13 13:50 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Thomas Einzel <usenet-2015@einzel.de> - 2015-08-13 15:40 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-13 16:11 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Thomas Einzel <usenet-2015@einzel.de> - 2015-08-13 16:35 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-14 10:29 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Juergen Kah <machnixx@arcor.de> - 2015-08-13 21:45 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-14 16:37 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-18 22:13 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-19 22:06 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-20 10:58 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-20 18:50 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-21 08:22 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-21 18:27 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-22 02:30 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Peter Lemken <df5jt@bloatware.de> - 2015-08-22 06:46 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-08-22 07:37 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-22 16:48 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-08-22 09:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-08-22 12:39 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-22 16:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-22 21:32 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-22 15:07 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-08-22 17:07 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-22 20:54 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-22 21:45 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-23 16:02 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-24 16:33 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-22 21:44 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-23 16:26 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-24 16:31 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-24 20:57 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-24 23:59 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-25 02:30 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-25 12:17 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-25 10:38 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-25 11:45 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-25 18:41 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-25 19:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-26 16:43 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-26 20:27 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-27 10:23 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-27 14:12 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-28 10:05 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-03 17:27 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-04 09:38 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-09-04 10:02 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-04 11:28 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-04 17:25 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-09-04 23:24 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-05 01:22 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-07 09:26 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Peter Lemken <df5jt@bloatware.de> - 2015-09-07 12:20 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-07 16:56 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-07 17:03 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-07 21:06 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-09-08 00:01 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 08:19 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Werner Schmidt <werner1@foni.net> - 2015-09-08 22:06 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-08 22:47 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Werner Schmidt <werner1@foni.net> - 2015-09-09 21:04 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-10 19:25 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-08 22:47 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-08 22:46 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 06:16 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-09 15:56 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 16:53 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-08 10:40 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-08 23:06 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 06:18 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-09 16:01 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-09 10:46 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-09 10:56 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-09 17:30 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-10 05:06 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-10 05:14 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-07 09:22 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-07 21:13 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-25 12:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-25 18:43 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-22 19:15 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-22 21:47 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Peter Lemken <df5jt@bloatware.de> - 2015-08-23 06:52 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-24 16:42 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Peter Lemken <df5jt@bloatware.de> - 2015-08-26 18:55 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-26 21:41 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-27 00:41 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-27 01:49 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-27 08:53 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Peter Lemken <df5jt@bloatware.de> - 2015-08-27 11:05 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-28 08:31 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Peter Lemken <df5jt@bloatware.de> - 2015-08-28 07:15 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-29 10:18 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Peter Lemken <df5jt@bloatware.de> - 2015-08-29 12:27 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Ralf Brinkmann <ralf.brinkmann.wiesbaden@t-online.de> - 2015-08-29 23:41 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-31 10:25 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-28 12:13 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-28 15:33 +0200
                OT: Secure Boot (was: Re: StageFright: QuickFix) Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-29 10:15 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-03 17:53 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-04 09:45 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-04 17:46 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-09-04 23:25 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-07 09:51 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-09 00:57 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-09 11:24 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-24 12:28 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-24 17:28 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-24 21:50 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-25 18:31 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Peter Lemken <df5jt@bloatware.de> - 2015-08-26 18:57 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-10 18:25 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-11 02:24 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-11 17:40 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-12 00:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-12 08:59 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-12 17:55 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-13 01:03 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Thomas Einzel <usenet-2015@einzel.de> - 2015-08-13 01:22 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-13 03:53 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Thomas Einzel <usenet-2015@einzel.de> - 2015-08-14 10:45 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-21 08:24 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-21 13:38 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-21 13:51 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-21 14:04 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-24 10:13 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-24 11:59 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-24 16:45 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-24 20:57 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-13 17:29 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-14 00:44 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-14 01:57 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-13 11:51 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-13 17:46 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-14 11:05 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-10 18:27 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-10 11:29 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Helmut@Hullen.de (Helmut Hullen) - 2015-08-10 12:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Alexander Goetzenstein <alexander_goetzenstein@web.de> - 2015-08-10 12:59 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-10 23:48 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-11 02:31 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-11 17:30 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-11 17:58 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-12 10:25 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-12 13:21 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-12 13:36 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-12 17:09 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-12 17:55 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-13 11:58 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-13 03:44 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-12 20:04 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-12 22:01 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 21:01 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-13 12:21 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-08-13 14:03 +0000
                OT: optimale Schaltkulisse, war: Re: StageFright: QuickFix Werner Schmidt <werner1@foni.net> - 2015-08-13 20:17 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 11:16 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-13 00:11 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-13 03:50 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-15 02:42 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-17 02:44 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-17 14:58 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-17 17:58 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-17 18:37 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-18 01:36 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-08-18 10:17 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-18 17:38 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-18 01:47 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 06:42 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-18 17:15 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-19 04:08 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-19 11:46 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-19 11:43 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-19 13:02 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-19 11:39 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-19 18:07 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-20 10:12 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-20 10:59 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-19 21:10 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Juergen Kah <machnixx@arcor.de> - 2015-08-13 11:05 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Thomas Einzel <usenet-2015@einzel.de> - 2015-08-13 13:21 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-12 17:51 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-12 23:44 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-13 19:25 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-14 11:11 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-14 17:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-12 17:29 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-13 16:28 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-14 11:18 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-12 18:04 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-10 18:18 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-11 02:19 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Helmut@Hullen.de (Helmut Hullen) - 2015-08-11 07:19 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-11 17:29 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-12 00:05 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-12 17:37 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-12 00:47 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-12 17:43 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-13 00:38 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-13 17:11 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-13 23:22 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-14 16:14 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-14 11:25 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-14 20:24 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-19 11:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-19 23:05 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-20 10:17 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-22 19:24 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-22 21:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-23 10:26 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-24 10:21 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-24 13:50 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-14 16:20 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-15 00:14 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-15 15:53 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-15 22:16 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-16 17:36 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-17 00:54 +0200
                Computer in der Jugend (was: StageFright: QuickFix) Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-17 18:14 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-19 12:04 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-19 18:12 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Juergen Kah <machnixx@arcor.de> - 2015-08-13 11:26 +0200
            Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-07 00:18 +0000
              Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-07 02:28 +0200
              Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-10 17:15 +0200
        Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-06 21:12 +0200
        Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-06 23:39 +0000
          Re: StageFright: QuickFix Juergen Kah <machnixx@arcor.de> - 2015-08-08 23:56 +0200
            Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-09 11:51 +0000
  Re: StageFright: QuickFix Markus Fuenfrocken <markus@fuenfrocken.de> - 2015-07-28 10:29 +0200
    Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-07-28 10:42 +0000
  Re: StageFright: QuickFix Matthias Gerds <m.gerds@posteo.de> - 2015-08-31 07:48 +0200
    Re: StageFright: QuickFix Christian Steins <cs01@quantentunnel.de> - 2015-09-08 11:31 +0200
      Re: StageFright: QuickFix Matthias Gerds <m.gerds@posteo.de> - 2015-09-17 15:52 +0200
        Re: StageFright: QuickFix Rolf Buenning <DerRolf@NurFuerSpam.de> - 2015-09-21 09:03 +0200
          Re: StageFright: QuickFix Ralf Brinkmann <ralf.brinkmann.wiesbaden@t-online.de> - 2015-09-21 09:57 +0200
            Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-21 12:21 +0200
              Re: StageFright: QuickFix Ralf Brinkmann <ralf.brinkmann.wiesbaden@t-online.de> - 2015-09-21 13:02 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-21 13:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Ralf Brinkmann <ralf.brinkmann.wiesbaden@t-online.de> - 2015-09-21 15:06 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Peter Lemken <df5jt@bloatware.de> - 2015-09-21 14:51 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Ralf Brinkmann <ralf.brinkmann.wiesbaden@t-online.de> - 2015-09-21 17:03 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Peter Lemken <df5jt@bloatware.de> - 2015-09-22 06:23 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-09-22 08:30 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Peter Lemken <df5jt@bloatware.de> - 2015-09-22 16:53 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-09-24 17:22 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Ralf Brinkmann <ralf.brinkmann.wiesbaden@t-online.de> - 2015-09-22 10:26 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Werner Schmidt <werner1@foni.net> - 2015-09-22 11:28 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Matthias Gerds <m.gerds@posteo.de> - 2015-09-22 23:29 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Ralf Brinkmann <ralf.brinkmann.wiesbaden@t-online.de> - 2015-09-23 12:29 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-09-23 11:13 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Matthias Gerds <m.gerds@posteo.de> - 2015-09-23 14:32 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-09-23 14:31 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Matthias Gerds <m.gerds@posteo.de> - 2015-09-23 14:31 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-21 17:26 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Matthias Gerds <m.gerds@posteo.de> - 2015-09-21 20:37 +0200
              Re: StageFright: QuickFix Rolf Buenning <DerRolf@NurFuerSpam.de> - 2015-09-23 09:22 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-26 12:13 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Matthias Gerds <m.gerds@posteo.de> - 2015-09-26 13:26 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-26 14:21 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Matthias Gerds <m.gerds@posteo.de> - 2015-09-26 15:13 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Ralf Brinkmann <ralf.brinkmann.wiesbaden@t-online.de> - 2015-09-26 14:54 +0200
      Re: StageFright: QuickFix Christian Steins <cs01@quantentunnel.de> - 2015-11-10 13:13 +0100

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