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Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port

From Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.arch.embedded
Subject Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port
Date 2023-03-24 18:19 -0700
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Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> writes:
> You didn't answer the question.  Which pin is the data output and
> which is the data input?

The transmit pin (TXD, pin 2 in that table) is the output and the
receive pin (RXD, pin 3) is the input.  Since it is a female connector,
by the standard, the box is considered data communications equipment
(DCE), rather than data terminal equipment (DTR).  If it was DTR, the
two pins would be switched around.  Is that what you are asking?  In any
case, one always has to test to be sure.

>> https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/dfrobot/DFR0258/6588574 
> Are you going to make the cable required? 

A splitter cable?  I thought I posted a url to order those from.

> Recycling is not a problem, as long as there is no branding on the box. 

There could be a label with your own branding, strategically placed to
cover up any existing branding, if that works for you.  

> Are you going to write the USB stack to run on the simple CPUs you
> have linked to?

It exists already on some of them.  I wouldn't write a new one.

>> TTL to RS232 (?): https://www.sparkfun.com/products/449 
>> Similar: https://www.waveshare.com/wiki/RS232_Board 
> I don't know why you are showing all these devices.  

There are tons of cpus with built in UARTs 

> I don't know.  Why does this matter?  You won't be visiting the
> customer's site.

Somebody at some point might have to do that.  I hope not, but the
saying is, hope for the best and plan for the worst.

Frankly the first thing I would try is taking one of your homebrew boxes
that is known to be failing, swapping out the homemade level shifter PCB
with one of the ones linked above, and seeing if that works.  Or at
least, use a scope to check the voltages coming out of the homemade PCB.

> You seem to be thrashing around in looking at every little board that
> might or might not do the job, rather than finding one that will.

It is a two step process: 1) identify possible candidates; 2) pick one.

Posting links to those boards is in part a demonstration that such
boards exist.

> The single port boards you've identified have the DB9 connector, but
> you don't indicate how you will split this into the two connectors
> required for the job.  Do you understand the requirements? 

I believe so.  There are premade splitter cables that separate pins 2
and 3 from a DB9 into two more DB9's, or such a thing can be made, or
(preferable) one can use a CPU with two serial ports (or USB split into
two ports).  The splitter cable can be inside the box since IIRC you
don't want it flopping around on the outside.  Then the two DB9's would
be on the rear panel.

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Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-17 07:24 -0800
  Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-01-17 11:31 -0800
    Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-17 12:19 -0800
      Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-01-17 13:07 -0800
        Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-17 13:29 -0800
          Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-01-17 14:04 -0800
            Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-17 14:47 -0800
              Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-01-17 15:32 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-17 15:44 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-01-17 16:04 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-17 17:32 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-01-17 20:02 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-17 20:24 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-01-17 20:56 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-17 22:30 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-01-18 00:37 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-18 04:43 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-01-18 14:19 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-18 23:15 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-01-19 12:21 -0800
              Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Andrew Smallshaw <andrews@sdf.org> - 2023-01-18 12:15 +0000
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-18 04:55 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Andrew Smallshaw <andrews@sdf.org> - 2023-01-18 13:22 +0000
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Andrew Smallshaw <andrews@sdf.org> - 2023-01-18 13:28 +0000
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-18 06:20 -0800
      Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-01-18 10:04 +0100
  Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2023-01-18 16:18 +0000
    Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-01-18 14:10 -0800
      Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2023-01-19 10:29 +0000
        Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-01-19 05:41 -0700
          Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-19 10:00 -0800
            Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-01-19 12:42 -0800
              Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-19 14:10 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-01-19 16:16 -0800
        Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2023-01-19 16:07 +0000
          Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-19 10:13 -0800
          Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-01-19 14:51 -0700
        Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-19 10:06 -0800
          Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2023-01-20 13:03 +0000
            Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-20 06:28 -0800
            Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-01-20 19:14 -0800
              Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-01-20 20:41 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-01-21 05:05 -0700
              Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2023-01-21 10:53 +0000
          Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Herbert Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> - 2023-01-20 19:17 +0100
            Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-20 12:37 -0800
              Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2023-01-20 23:02 +0200
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-20 14:08 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2023-01-21 01:38 +0200
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2023-01-21 01:58 +0000
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-20 18:44 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2023-01-21 20:02 +0000
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-22 17:12 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-02-03 09:22 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-02-03 10:04 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2023-03-26 22:24 +0300
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-27 02:27 -0700
  Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port pozz <pozzugno@gmail.com> - 2023-01-20 08:54 +0100
    Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-20 01:03 -0800
  Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-22 12:18 -0700
    Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-03-22 20:35 -0700
      Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-22 23:26 -0700
        Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-22 23:28 -0700
          Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2023-03-23 10:06 +0000
            Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-24 00:59 -0700
          Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-03-23 09:00 -0700
            Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-24 01:03 -0700
        Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-03-23 08:54 -0700
          Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-24 01:02 -0700
            Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-03-24 01:43 -0700
            Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Hans-Bernhard Bröker <HBBroeker@t-online.de> - 2023-03-24 12:44 +0100
              Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2023-03-24 14:20 +0000
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-24 08:08 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2023-03-24 16:23 +0000
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-03-24 13:42 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-24 14:31 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-03-24 18:19 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-03-24 18:22 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-24 18:34 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-03-24 19:43 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-24 20:01 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-03-24 21:18 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-24 15:35 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-24 18:21 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-24 19:21 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2023-03-25 21:42 -0400
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-25 19:26 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2023-03-26 18:27 +0000
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-26 13:23 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-26 13:32 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-26 13:52 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-26 19:30 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-26 20:31 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 07:04 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-27 09:21 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 09:56 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-27 13:08 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2023-03-27 20:46 +0000
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 15:07 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-27 15:07 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 14:50 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-27 15:07 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 15:24 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-27 15:36 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 15:37 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-27 15:42 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-03-27 11:03 +0200
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 07:11 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2023-03-27 17:47 +0300
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 08:05 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2023-03-27 19:09 +0300
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-03-27 17:38 +0200
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-26 19:22 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-26 19:11 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-26 13:37 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-26 19:28 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-27 13:38 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 15:05 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-27 15:08 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 15:25 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-27 15:38 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-26 13:23 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-26 19:25 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-26 20:31 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 07:05 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-27 09:18 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 10:09 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-27 12:16 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 13:03 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-27 13:17 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 15:05 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-27 15:40 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2023-03-28 10:36 +1100
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 17:59 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2023-03-28 12:58 +1100
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 20:41 -0700
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                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-28 08:37 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2023-03-28 20:00 +0000
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-28 13:06 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2023-03-29 08:03 +1100
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-28 00:11 -0700
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                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Hans-Bernhard Bröker <HBBroeker@t-online.de> - 2023-03-24 19:26 +0100
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                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Hans-Bernhard Bröker <HBBroeker@t-online.de> - 2023-03-24 19:10 +0100
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      Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Herbert Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> - 2023-03-24 18:54 +0100
      Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-24 11:34 -0700
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