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Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port

From Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.arch.embedded
Subject Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port
Date 2023-01-17 13:07 -0800
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Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> writes:
> Yes, way overkill.  I think I said the initial units use the Arduino
> nano.  No OS required, and in fact is a liability.

The OS won't hurt, but maybe it won't help much if the thing is this
simple.  I can say I worked on a much fancier gadget like this using an
ARM Linux board (it intercepted and modified the data stream between a
POS terminal and a receipt printer, doing full duplex comms on both
sides while also getting data from the internet) and it worked fine
using the on-board 16550-style UARTs.

> They are making this with an Arduino nano and a small custom board for
> the RS-232 converter, in a 3d printed box.  All of that is fine I
> expect.  But they are having this problem.

Hmm, I wonder if it can be diagnosed, if they are ok keeping on using
the same hardware.  Any idea what was going wrong?  Flaky hardware?
Underpowered RS232 ports?

> Here's what I would like to use. 
> https://www.brainboxes.com/product/usb-to-serial/usb/us-257

Those look nice.  I will keep looking around / asking around.

> There is a ton of idle time to send the headers between the 50 char
> messages.

Ah right, I had missed or forgotten that there was just one message per
second.  Yes, you are fine.

> There's always more than meets the eye.  I looked at the code and
> although it's Arduino code, it is enough like C that I can tell it's
> missing a few things.

Arduino code is C++ with some special libraries and light preprocessing,
so it shouldn't be too big a deal to hack it.

> I don't know if that would cause any problems, but if the /r is missed
> from data corruption, the character buffer would likely overflow,
> causing who knows what harm....

Fair enough, yes, the program should check for various kinds of errors.

Is it disastrous if an error results in some kind of alert that
temporarily stops operation?  The idea is to deploy something that
passes reasonable testing, possibly hit a few unexpected error
conditions during initial production, fix those, and hopefully be
reliable afterwards, but have it not be catastrophic if something goes
wrong after a long period.

What do you want to have happen in case of data corruption anyway?  Do
the messages have checksums and should the pass-through box check them?

> I'm not even sure why the data is being buffered, it could be sent
> through one character at a time...

If this thing is susceptible to later feature creep, the buffering might
make things easier.

It seems to me that if you have another person involved with the
programming, that person should be close to the customer site in order
to diagnose issues that might come up with the installed systems.  Or at
least, they should have real sensor hardware that they can test with.

> If I wasn't up to my ears, I would take this on.  But I am, so I
> can't.

Understandable ;).

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Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-17 07:24 -0800
  Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-01-17 11:31 -0800
    Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-17 12:19 -0800
      Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-01-17 13:07 -0800
        Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-17 13:29 -0800
          Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-01-17 14:04 -0800
            Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-17 14:47 -0800
              Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-01-17 15:32 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-17 15:44 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-01-17 16:04 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-17 17:32 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-01-17 20:02 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-17 20:24 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-01-17 20:56 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-17 22:30 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-01-18 00:37 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-18 04:43 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-01-18 14:19 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-18 23:15 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-01-19 12:21 -0800
              Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Andrew Smallshaw <andrews@sdf.org> - 2023-01-18 12:15 +0000
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-18 04:55 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Andrew Smallshaw <andrews@sdf.org> - 2023-01-18 13:22 +0000
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Andrew Smallshaw <andrews@sdf.org> - 2023-01-18 13:28 +0000
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-18 06:20 -0800
      Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-01-18 10:04 +0100
  Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2023-01-18 16:18 +0000
    Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-01-18 14:10 -0800
      Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2023-01-19 10:29 +0000
        Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-01-19 05:41 -0700
          Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-19 10:00 -0800
            Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-01-19 12:42 -0800
              Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-19 14:10 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-01-19 16:16 -0800
        Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2023-01-19 16:07 +0000
          Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-19 10:13 -0800
          Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-01-19 14:51 -0700
        Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-19 10:06 -0800
          Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2023-01-20 13:03 +0000
            Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-20 06:28 -0800
            Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-01-20 19:14 -0800
              Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-01-20 20:41 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-01-21 05:05 -0700
              Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2023-01-21 10:53 +0000
          Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Herbert Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> - 2023-01-20 19:17 +0100
            Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-20 12:37 -0800
              Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2023-01-20 23:02 +0200
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-20 14:08 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2023-01-21 01:38 +0200
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2023-01-21 01:58 +0000
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-20 18:44 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2023-01-21 20:02 +0000
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-22 17:12 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-02-03 09:22 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-02-03 10:04 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2023-03-26 22:24 +0300
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-27 02:27 -0700
  Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port pozz <pozzugno@gmail.com> - 2023-01-20 08:54 +0100
    Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-20 01:03 -0800
  Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-22 12:18 -0700
    Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-03-22 20:35 -0700
      Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-22 23:26 -0700
        Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-22 23:28 -0700
          Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2023-03-23 10:06 +0000
            Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-24 00:59 -0700
          Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-03-23 09:00 -0700
            Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-24 01:03 -0700
        Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-03-23 08:54 -0700
          Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-24 01:02 -0700
            Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-03-24 01:43 -0700
            Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Hans-Bernhard Bröker <HBBroeker@t-online.de> - 2023-03-24 12:44 +0100
              Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2023-03-24 14:20 +0000
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-24 08:08 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2023-03-24 16:23 +0000
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-03-24 13:42 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-24 14:31 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-03-24 18:19 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-03-24 18:22 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-24 18:34 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-03-24 19:43 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-24 20:01 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-03-24 21:18 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-24 15:35 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-24 18:21 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-24 19:21 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2023-03-25 21:42 -0400
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-25 19:26 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2023-03-26 18:27 +0000
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-26 13:23 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-26 13:32 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-26 13:52 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-26 19:30 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-26 20:31 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 07:04 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-27 09:21 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 09:56 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-27 13:08 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2023-03-27 20:46 +0000
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 15:07 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-27 15:07 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 14:50 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-27 15:07 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 15:24 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-27 15:36 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 15:37 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-27 15:42 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-03-27 11:03 +0200
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 07:11 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2023-03-27 17:47 +0300
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 08:05 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2023-03-27 19:09 +0300
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-03-27 17:38 +0200
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-26 19:22 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-26 19:11 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-26 13:37 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-26 19:28 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-27 13:38 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 15:05 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-27 15:08 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 15:25 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-27 15:38 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-26 13:23 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-26 19:25 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-26 20:31 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 07:05 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-27 09:18 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 10:09 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-27 12:16 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 13:03 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-27 13:17 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 15:05 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-27 15:40 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2023-03-28 10:36 +1100
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 17:59 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2023-03-28 12:58 +1100
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 20:41 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2023-03-28 15:21 +1100
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-28 08:37 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2023-03-28 20:00 +0000
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-28 13:06 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2023-03-29 08:03 +1100
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-28 00:11 -0700
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                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Hans-Bernhard Bröker <HBBroeker@t-online.de> - 2023-03-24 19:26 +0100
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                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Hans-Bernhard Bröker <HBBroeker@t-online.de> - 2023-03-24 19:10 +0100
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      Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Herbert Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> - 2023-03-24 18:54 +0100
      Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-24 11:34 -0700
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