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Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port

From Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.arch.embedded
Subject Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port
Date 2023-01-17 14:04 -0800
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Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> writes:
> Once the error is observed, a power cycle is required to fix it.  It's
> not a one time glitch.

Gack, yeah.  I had been thinking, this isn't my area, but my
understanding is that the RS232 electrical spec requires voltages that
are somewhat above TTL logic levels, and that various crappy devices
skimp on these voltages and mostly work anyway.  So that is a thing to
suspect if a home-brew RS232 device is acting flaky.  It could be that
the device at the other end expects those voltages to be closer to the
real spec.

> This is actually a patch added when the sensor was changed to an
> updated model which no longer outputs the same format or the headers.

Can I ask about the device or computer that is receiving this data?
Does that have software of its own that can be modified?  Adding a
hardware box just to deal with a software protocol change seems pretty
desperate.

> The real problem is not the glitch, but that the failure remains until
> the translator is reset.

How about including a WDT that resets the circuit?  Is it possible to
tell if the CPU is even still running when the device locks up?

> I'd be happy with a solid CPU in a good box.  The current units are
> hand wired, so who knows how well they are made?

As a test, you could put in a laptop with an FTDI cable and see if that
is able to keep the system happy.  That's how we tested all our stuff
with the POS interception thing that I mentioned.

> This is the problem when one person designs something, then another
> person has to make it work.  You never know where the bodies are
> buried.

Yes, that's why getting a remote contractor involved for something this
simple sounds like more trouble than it's worth.  It's much more hassle
than if the person is already there in your shop and is familiar with
the product.

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Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-17 07:24 -0800
  Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-01-17 11:31 -0800
    Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-17 12:19 -0800
      Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-01-17 13:07 -0800
        Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-17 13:29 -0800
          Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-01-17 14:04 -0800
            Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-17 14:47 -0800
              Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-01-17 15:32 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-17 15:44 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-01-17 16:04 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-17 17:32 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-01-17 20:02 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-17 20:24 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-01-17 20:56 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-17 22:30 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-01-18 00:37 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-18 04:43 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-01-18 14:19 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-18 23:15 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-01-19 12:21 -0800
              Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Andrew Smallshaw <andrews@sdf.org> - 2023-01-18 12:15 +0000
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-18 04:55 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Andrew Smallshaw <andrews@sdf.org> - 2023-01-18 13:22 +0000
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Andrew Smallshaw <andrews@sdf.org> - 2023-01-18 13:28 +0000
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-18 06:20 -0800
      Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-01-18 10:04 +0100
  Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2023-01-18 16:18 +0000
    Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-01-18 14:10 -0800
      Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2023-01-19 10:29 +0000
        Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-01-19 05:41 -0700
          Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-19 10:00 -0800
            Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-01-19 12:42 -0800
              Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-19 14:10 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-01-19 16:16 -0800
        Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2023-01-19 16:07 +0000
          Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-19 10:13 -0800
          Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-01-19 14:51 -0700
        Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-19 10:06 -0800
          Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2023-01-20 13:03 +0000
            Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-20 06:28 -0800
            Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-01-20 19:14 -0800
              Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-01-20 20:41 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-01-21 05:05 -0700
              Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2023-01-21 10:53 +0000
          Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Herbert Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> - 2023-01-20 19:17 +0100
            Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-20 12:37 -0800
              Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2023-01-20 23:02 +0200
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-20 14:08 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2023-01-21 01:38 +0200
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2023-01-21 01:58 +0000
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-20 18:44 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2023-01-21 20:02 +0000
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-22 17:12 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-02-03 09:22 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-02-03 10:04 -0800
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2023-03-26 22:24 +0300
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-27 02:27 -0700
  Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port pozz <pozzugno@gmail.com> - 2023-01-20 08:54 +0100
    Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-01-20 01:03 -0800
  Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-22 12:18 -0700
    Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-03-22 20:35 -0700
      Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-22 23:26 -0700
        Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-22 23:28 -0700
          Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2023-03-23 10:06 +0000
            Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-24 00:59 -0700
          Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-03-23 09:00 -0700
            Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-24 01:03 -0700
        Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-03-23 08:54 -0700
          Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-24 01:02 -0700
            Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-03-24 01:43 -0700
            Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Hans-Bernhard Bröker <HBBroeker@t-online.de> - 2023-03-24 12:44 +0100
              Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2023-03-24 14:20 +0000
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-24 08:08 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2023-03-24 16:23 +0000
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-03-24 13:42 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-24 14:31 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-03-24 18:19 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-03-24 18:22 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-24 18:34 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-03-24 19:43 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-24 20:01 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2023-03-24 21:18 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-24 15:35 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-24 18:21 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-24 19:21 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2023-03-25 21:42 -0400
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-25 19:26 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2023-03-26 18:27 +0000
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-26 13:23 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-26 13:32 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-26 13:52 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-26 19:30 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-26 20:31 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 07:04 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-27 09:21 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 09:56 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-27 13:08 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2023-03-27 20:46 +0000
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 15:07 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-27 15:07 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 14:50 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-27 15:07 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 15:24 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-27 15:36 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 15:37 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-27 15:42 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-03-27 11:03 +0200
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 07:11 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2023-03-27 17:47 +0300
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 08:05 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2023-03-27 19:09 +0300
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-03-27 17:38 +0200
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-26 19:22 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-26 19:11 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-26 13:37 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-26 19:28 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-27 13:38 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 15:05 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-27 15:08 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 15:25 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-27 15:38 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-26 13:23 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-26 19:25 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-26 20:31 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 07:05 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-27 09:18 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 10:09 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-27 12:16 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 13:03 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-27 13:17 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 15:05 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-27 15:40 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2023-03-28 10:36 +1100
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 17:59 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2023-03-28 12:58 +1100
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 20:41 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2023-03-28 15:21 +1100
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-28 08:37 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2023-03-28 20:00 +0000
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-28 13:06 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2023-03-29 08:03 +1100
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2023-03-28 00:11 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port "b...@gmx.com" <bl1@gmx.com> - 2023-03-27 16:17 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 18:12 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Hans-Bernhard Bröker <HBBroeker@t-online.de> - 2023-03-24 19:26 +0100
              Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-24 08:03 -0700
                Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Hans-Bernhard Bröker <HBBroeker@t-online.de> - 2023-03-24 19:10 +0100
    Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Herbert Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> - 2023-03-24 17:16 +0100
      Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Herbert Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> - 2023-03-24 18:54 +0100
      Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-24 11:34 -0700
  Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-27 10:18 -0700
  Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Uwe Bonnes <bon@hertz.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de> - 2023-03-28 20:53 +0000
    Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-28 16:12 -0700
      Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2023-03-29 09:06 +0300
        Re: Boxed MCU with RS-232 Port Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2023-03-29 00:44 -0700

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