Re: Embedded platforms for beginners?

From	Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.arch.embedded
Subject	Re: Embedded platforms for beginners?
Date	2017-09-05 19:42 -0700
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Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> writes:
> This isn't a thread about "most projects" but about how a beginner
> can learn to program embedded devices. It's pretty important to
> learn *what memory is* before you learn to let the tools manage it
> for you.

I'm just a dabbler in embedded devices, but on bigger computers it
stopped being that way years ago.  I work with smart productive
programmers every day who do all their stuff in Python and Ruby and have
never seen C code.  Do I find it alarming?  Well, it took me a little
while to get used to.  But they deliver working products that do what
the customer wanted, and what else in engineering is supposed to matter?

What I'm coming to believe (your judgment may well be better than mine,
at least if you've done it both ways) is that it's gotten the same way
with embedded devices.  A coin-size MCU board that appears as a USB
flash drive where you drag and drop a Python program sounds about as
beginner-friendly as it gets.  Another approach (recommended by Rickman)
is Forth, which in some ways is similar in spirit.  But the value of a
self-contained system needing no extra boards and stuff is very high.

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Embedded platforms for beginners? Elof Huang <elof.huang@runbox.com> - 2017-09-01 14:07 +0800
  Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Jack <jack4747@gmail.com> - 2017-08-31 23:22 -0700
  Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-09-01 04:10 -0400
  Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-09-01 21:49 +1000
    Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Elof Huang <elof.huang@runbox.com> - 2017-09-02 11:57 +0800
      Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-09-02 18:25 +1000
        Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Elof Huang <elof.huang@runbox.com> - 2017-09-03 15:37 +0800
          Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-09-03 17:54 +1000
          Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 13:49 -0400
    Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-09-02 11:41 -0400
      Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-09-03 09:44 +1000
        Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-09-02 20:39 -0400
          Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-09-03 11:16 +1000
        Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-09-02 18:21 -0700
          Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-09-03 14:26 +1000
            Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 02:14 -0400
              Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-09-03 17:52 +1000
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 13:50 -0400
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-09-03 22:20 -0700
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 22:06 -0400
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-09-06 12:21 +1000
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 22:42 -0400
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-09-06 14:26 +1000
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-09-06 01:20 -0400
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2017-09-03 15:58 -0400
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-09-04 08:00 +1000
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-09-03 19:13 -0400
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-09-04 09:58 +1000
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-09-03 20:16 -0400
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-09-04 15:13 +1000
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-09-03 22:24 -0700
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-09-04 15:55 +1000
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-05 14:15 +0200
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2017-09-05 12:35 -0400
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Rob Gaddi <rgaddi@highlandtechnology.invalid> - 2017-09-05 10:02 -0700
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-09-05 18:13 +0100
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-06 10:24 +0200
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-09-05 17:10 -0700
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-06 09:57 +0200
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-09-05 16:57 -0700
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-09-05 16:54 -0700
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-09-06 12:31 +1000
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-09-05 19:42 -0700
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-05 10:16 +0200
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-09-05 16:56 -0400
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-09-04 10:46 +0100
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-09-05 17:09 -0400
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-09-05 19:35 -0700
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-09-06 12:40 +1000
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-09-06 00:42 -0400
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-09-06 08:55 +0100
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-09-06 08:45 +0100
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-09-07 20:23 -0400
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-09-08 08:42 +0100
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-08 12:07 +0200
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-09-08 11:40 +0100
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-08 13:24 +0200
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-09-08 13:36 +0100
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-09-09 13:16 -0400
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2017-09-10 08:53 -0500
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2017-09-10 20:18 +0300
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-09-11 21:24 -0400
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2017-09-15 22:22 -0500
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-09-18 11:26 -0400
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-09-18 18:26 +0100
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-09-19 14:27 -0400
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-09-18 18:24 +0100
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-09-03 22:30 -0700
                Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-09-04 15:51 +1000
            Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-09-03 22:04 -0700
      Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? kristoff <kristoff@skypro.be> - 2017-09-05 17:56 +0200
        Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Luke A. Guest <laguest@archeia.com> - 2017-09-10 17:10 +0100
  Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? tarjei99@gmail.com - 2017-09-10 05:49 -0700
    Re: Embedded platforms for beginners? Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2017-09-10 09:03 -0500

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