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Re: Plusnet and Broadband - no email service, no phone service... and now no broadband service

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In uk.telecom.voip Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:
> Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> writes:
> 
> > I think it's a little bit different from that. A&A serve primarily business
> > customers. Businesses have dedicated technically trained staff who manage
> > their systems, and A&A interface with them (as well as the accounts
> > department for billing etc). That means they are used to dealing with
> > technical people, and they are not used to handholding: they aren't there to
> > do the IT department's job for them; if the IT department is incompetent
> > that's not A&A's problem.  Also business contracts don't have things like
> > consumer rights.
> >
> > The consumer market is quite different. When you as an individual engage
> > with a B2B supplier you need to be more on the ball as a customer than a B2C
> > transaction, and if you come with a consumer mindset then you may have
> > problems. Now A&A have never been a B2B only supplier so there's always been
> > some B2C, but they've had a B2B outlook and somewhat grudgingly accept B2C
> > regulation.
> 
> This is strange, their website clearly advertises a home service. So if
> they are selling it they should be ready to provide it. Being technical
> doesn't exclude the possibility of providing a preconfigured router
> which just works with VOIP out of the box.

They have a home product, but they do zero to advertise it to home users.  I
have never seen an A&A advert anywhere.  It's only by word of mouth do they
get customers.  That's what I mean about them doing a bit of B2C but they're
not a consumer ISP like Plusnet.

(The home product came about mainly because their products were all PAYG on
data consumption: a lot of people didn't like that for personal use so they
came up with the Home::1 tariff)

Do they provide a preconfigured router?  I don't know what you get when you
take their FTTC/FTTP service - do you get any router at all as standard?  I
was assuming you just get login credentials to set up your own kit.  You can
of course buy hardware from them and they will preconfigure it, but I
thought that was optional (ie it's not funded out of the monthly
payment, it's a separate hardware purchase, separate contract etc).

Theo

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  Re: Plusnet and Broadband - no email service, no phone service... and now no broadband service Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-26 19:33 +0100
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