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| From | Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.c |
| Subject | Re: Challenge for Feeb: dealing with large numbers in C |
| Date | 2019-10-28 02:08 +0000 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
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Bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
> On 27/10/2019 01:58, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> Bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>
>>> Bubble sort is simpler. You only ever compare or swap adjacent
>>> elements.
>>
>> Insertion sort is simpler. You only ever compare or swap adjacent
>> elements and there is no "out of order" flag.
>
> See below where there is no flag.
That's not bubble sort according to Knuth and many others, but the name
is not the point here.
>> (I'm assuming we are both
>> allowed pick whatever version
>
> You're the one that's picking.
Yes, as are you. You picked an algorithm that many people would not
even call bubble sort in order to make the claim that it's simple.
> So what is your point, that insertion sort is equally inefficient, but
> that you prefer it over bubble sort?
No, my point is that it is more efficient and no harder to write. It's
way more efficient than the algorithm you are calling bubble sort, and
it's simpler (as well as more efficient) than the algorithm that Knuth
(and many others) call bubble sort.
> I prefer the latter since I know how to write it!
I don't see how what you know is relevant to what should be taught. If
you are making a stronger claim -- that, based on your personal
experience, insertion sort is too complex to remember and thus is never
available "off the top of one's head" -- then I think that just reflects
what you've previously learned.
> (Actually I did so in a job interview in 1978, where I was asked to
> write some Fortran code to sort an array. It must have been OK since I
> was offered the job.)
What can anyone tell from this anecdote? Maybe the interviewer shared
some of the common misconceptions about bubble sort. Maybe they did not
care about the algorithm at all. Maybe they hated your choice of
algorithm but everything else was good? It's not a helpful story.
> proc bsort2(a)=
> to a.len do
> for i to a.len-1 when a[i] > a[i+1] do
> swap(a[i], a[i+1])
> od
> od
> end
>
So, this (in C) is the algorithm you are defending:
void bart_sort(int n, T a[])
{
for (int i = 0; i < n; i++)
for (int j = 1; j < n; j++)
if (a[j-1] > a[j])
swap(&a[j-1], a&[j]);
}
(I've made the inner loop run from 1 and used j-1 rather than j+1
because that feels a bit more C-like, but such details are beside the
point here.)
Many authors would not call that bubble sort. Bubble sort is usually
seen as stopping early when the array is sorted:
void bubble_sort(int n, T a[])
{
bool swapped;
do {
swapped = false;
for (int j = 1; j < n; j++)
if (a[j-1] > a[j]) {
swap(&a[j-1], &a[j]);
swapped = true;
}
} while (swapped);
}
what I am saying is that everyone who might need it should just remember
void insertion_sort(int n, T a[])
{
for (int i = 1; i < n; i++)
for (int j = i; j > 0 && a[j-1] > a[j]; j--)
swap(&a[j-1], &a[j]);
}
because it's simpler and more efficient. Obviously there are even more
efficient ways to write this -- maybe even using a block move -- but,
again, that's not really the point here.
(Code typed in late at night and not shown to a compiler let alone a
test harness so take it with a pinch of salt.)
--
Ben.
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