Re: the hourglass problem

From	Dr Nick <3-nospam@temporary-address.org.uk>
Newsgroups	sci.logic, rec.puzzles, sci.math.num-analysis, comp.programming
Subject	Re: the hourglass problem
Date	2012-01-02 16:17 +0000
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Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> writes:

> I think you are ignoring two key features of a sand hourglass:
>
> 1. The sand flows at a more-or-less even rate if the top is not empty.
>
> 2. You can turn it over at any time, even if the top is not yet empty.
>
> Suppose you start a M-minute timer (M>1) with all the sand in the top,
> wait one minute, and then turn it over. The top now contains the amount
> of sand that takes one minute to flow to the bottom, and it will empty
> in one more minute.

While this is clearly the right answer to the puzzle I wonder how
accurate feature (1.) actually is.  Does anyone have - say - a three
minute egg timer to hand who'd try the actual experiment of running it
for one minute, reversing it and seeing how long it takes to return?

I'm not prepared to speculate on whether increased pressure might push
the sand through faster or make it pack together and flow less freely.
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the hourglass problem RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2011-12-31 18:03 -0800
  Re: the hourglass problem William Elliot <marsh@rdrop.com> - 2011-12-31 19:21 -0800
    Re: the hourglass problem Dave Dodson <dave_and_darla@Juno.com> - 2011-12-31 19:41 -0800
      Re: the hourglass problem William Elliot <marsh@rdrop.com> - 2012-01-01 19:48 -0800
        Re: the hourglass problem Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-01-01 20:44 -0800
          Re: the hourglass problem William Elliot <marsh@rdrop.com> - 2012-01-01 23:08 -0800
            Re: the hourglass problem Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-01-02 07:55 -0800
              Re: the hourglass problem Dr Nick <3-nospam@temporary-address.org.uk> - 2012-01-02 16:17 +0000
                Re: the hourglass problem Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2012-01-03 03:37 -0600
    Re: the hourglass problem Remysun <remysun2000@yahoo.com> - 2012-01-02 17:10 -0800
      Re: the hourglass problem "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-01-03 01:12 +0000
  Re: the hourglass problem root <NoEMail@home.org> - 2012-01-01 05:51 +0000
    Re: the hourglass problem William Elliot <marsh@rdrop.com> - 2012-01-01 20:04 -0800
      Re: the hourglass problem Duncan Booth <duncan.booth@invalid.invalid> - 2012-01-02 11:42 +0000
    Re: the hourglass problem RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2012-01-03 15:05 -0800
      Re: the hourglass problem Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-01-03 15:19 -0800
        Re: the hourglass problem PT <ptanenbaum@consultant.com> - 2012-01-04 12:28 -0800
          Re: the hourglass problem Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-01-04 13:44 -0800
        Re: the hourglass problem Dave Dodson <dave_and_darla@Juno.com> - 2012-01-04 22:55 -0800
          Re: the hourglass problem Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-01-04 23:55 -0800
            Re: the hourglass problem "Harry Vaderchi" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2012-01-05 10:06 +0000
              Re: the hourglass problem "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-01-05 13:44 +0000
                Re: the hourglass problem Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-01-05 08:13 -0800
                Re: the hourglass problem Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-01-05 11:55 -0800
                Re: the hourglass problem JohnF <john@please.see.sig.for.email.com> - 2012-01-06 04:40 +0000
            Re: the hourglass problem Dave <dave_and_darla@Juno.com> - 2012-01-05 15:37 -0800
              Re: the hourglass problem Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-01-05 16:02 -0800
  Re: the hourglass problem Duncan Booth <duncan.booth@invalid.invalid> - 2012-01-02 11:50 +0000
  Re: the hourglass problem Frederick Williams <freddywilliams@btinternet.com> - 2012-01-02 17:18 +0000
    Re: the hourglass problem msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) - 2012-01-02 17:40 -0600
      Re: the hourglass problem RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2012-01-02 17:37 -0800
        Re: the hourglass problem msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) - 2012-01-02 23:45 -0600
        Re: the hourglass problem "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> - 2012-01-03 10:06 +0100
        Re: the hourglass problem Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-01-03 12:51 +0100
          Re: the hourglass problem Nicolas Neuss <lastname@scipolis.de> - 2012-01-03 18:07 +0100
            Re: the hourglass problem Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-01-03 21:58 +0100
        Re: the hourglass problem Frederick Williams <freddywilliams@btinternet.com> - 2012-01-03 13:22 +0000
      Re: the hourglass problem "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-01-03 12:59 +0000
    Re: the hourglass problem Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-01-03 12:47 +0100
  Re: the hourglass problem Frederick Williams <freddywilliams@btinternet.com> - 2012-01-05 14:09 +0000
    Re: the hourglass problem Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-01-05 08:17 -0800
      Re: the hourglass problem Frederick Williams <freddywilliams@btinternet.com> - 2012-01-05 16:27 +0000
      Re: the hourglass problem Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-01-05 11:57 -0800
      Re: the hourglass problem JohnF <john@please.see.sig.for.email.com> - 2012-01-06 06:42 +0000

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