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Re: This is How it Happened...Summary

Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Date 2016-04-16 20:25 -0700
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Subject Re: This is How it Happened...Summary
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On Saturday, April 16, 2016 at 4:10:57 PM UTC-7, HGW wrote:
> On 16/04/16 23:13, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> > On 16.04.2016 02:31, HGW wrote:
> 
> >>>
> >>> So the second postulate is that the speed of light is invariant.
> >>> That means that it is c regardless in which inertial frame it
> >>> is measured.
> >>
> >> Why don't you try to learn something.
> >> To explain the MMX null result, Lorentz and FitzG concocted their silly
> >> transforms by which their rods and clocks varied so that no matter how
> >> they moved, they always got the answer c when measuring the speed of
> >> light. That idea was based on the 'light clock' interpretation (or the
> >> MMX cross beam) that the travel time of the beam would be L/gamma....so
> >> they reckoned the parallel length must shrink in that proportion too.
> >> That being so, it was deemed impossible to measure variations in light
> >> speed as the Earth moved around its orbit...and impossible to measure
> >> one's absolute speed. However, those transformed only produced the
> >> constant speed c because that was the assumed universal speed in the
> >> aether. Bth Lorentz and Poincare (and maybe a few others) subsequently
> >> realised that this effectively made the aether redundant, in that it no
> >> longer played any part in further considerations. However, that did not
> >> mean it disappeared altogether. It was the fundamental medium for
> >> unifying light speeds.
> >
> > Henry, do you think this babble can change the fact that the second
> > postulate of SR is that the speed of light in vacuum is invariant?
> 
> Speed relative to what? All speeds are relative.
> Why don't you just admit that I am right. I am merely telling you what 
> everyone knows. Poincare invented Einstein's version of relativity even 
> though he did not say so in those words.
> 
> Here are the true and quite obvious facts. It was assumed that all light 
> moved at c relative to an aether medium. To an observer at rest in the 
> aether, light closed on a moving observer at c+v BUT because his rods 
> and clocks were supposed to contract in the same proportion with 
> absolute speed, he would always MEASURE light speed to be c. That is 
> what Einstein's second postulate means. There is no need to mention any 
> aether because its role is assumed.
> 
> If all light moves at c in the medium and the contractions are valid, 
> then all light will be measured as moving at c. By the same token, if 
> the speed of Norwegian water rats was always u in the aether, every 
> moving observer would always measure the speed of water rats to be u. 
> Light is not special in that respect. Lg/Tg = constant.
> Unfortunately for Lorentz, Poincare, Einstein Paul B. and the rest of 
> you dingleberries, there is NO aether and there are no LTs.
> 
> 
> >>>
> >>> The question is the consequences of the second postulate.
> >>
> >> Words do not cause physical effects. Only an idiot would believe so.
> >
> > This is in fact a very revealing statement. :-D
> >
> > Paul:  A logical consequence of the second postulate of SR
> >         is that there is no 'unifying medium'.
> > Ralph: Only an idiot would believe that word can cause physical
> >         effects, so the logical consequence of the second postulate
> >         cannot be that there is no 'unifying medium'.
> >
> > I have seen this down under upside down logic before:
> >
> > Paul:  The inevitable logical consequence of the postulates
> >         of SR is that simultaneity is relative.
> > Ralph: My faith is that simultaneity is absolute,
> >         so relativity of simultaneity cannot be a logical
> >         consequence of the postulates of SR.
> 
> Paul, two clocks synched with a pointer attached to the ends of a 
> spinning rod remain in the same synch no matter how they are moved. What 
> is more, they will correctly measure light speed from a moving source to 
> be c+v.
> 
> 
> 
> >> THe second postulate is fraudulent and becasue it appeared to do away
> >> with he need for an aether made Eeinstein famous in the eyes of
> >> opportunist dingleberries.
> >> We know now that he was a plagiarising liar.
> >
> > Your opinion of the second postulate is utterly irrelevant
> > to what the logical consequences of the second postulate are.
> >
> > Your claim that the second postulate implies a 'unifying medium'
> > is a ridiculous claim, because the consequences of the second
> > postulate is the exact opposite.
> 
> Crap. If an absolute medium is assumed along with the LTs, there is no 
> need to mention the medium...but it is still vital to the theory. How 
> else could the speed of all Norwegian water rats appear to be constant?

Ralph, you haven't the brains that god gave a mud fence.

Why are you here at all? How embarrassing for you!

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This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-01 11:06 +1100
  Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-31 18:46 -0700
  Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-04-01 13:04 +1100
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-01 07:35 -0500
      Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-09 13:15 -0700
        Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-10 04:06 +0000
          Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 04:28 -0700
            Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-11 17:28 +0000
              Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 11:33 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-11 20:17 +0000
              Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 12:10 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 14:18 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-11 20:28 +0000
              Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 12:17 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-11 20:32 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-24 20:13 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 09:03 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 11:58 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 10:03 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-14 15:52 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-24 20:07 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 08:53 -0500
        Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-10 08:26 -0500
          Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 04:35 -0700
            Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 07:44 -0500
              Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 06:26 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 09:01 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 07:28 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 10:52 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Jack Chardy <jackc@outlool.org> - 2016-07-11 16:19 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-11 17:43 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 11:29 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 13:43 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 12:01 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 14:09 -0500
              Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 08:28 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-11 17:52 +0000
            Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-11 17:37 +0000
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <xxx@....> - 2016-04-02 08:42 +1100
      Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-04-02 16:43 +1100
        Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-02 19:23 +1100
          Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-04-02 19:40 +1100
            Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-04-02 22:09 +1100
              Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-04-02 12:20 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-04-02 19:58 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Bimpy <pimp@pimp.com> - 2016-04-02 18:22 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <xxx@....> - 2016-04-03 07:53 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-03 11:10 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-04-03 21:13 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-03 06:04 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-04-03 15:14 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Bimpy <pimp@pimp.com> - 2016-04-03 15:10 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Bimpy <pimp@pimp.com> - 2016-04-03 15:20 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 07:12 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-16 07:52 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 09:31 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-16 15:16 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 20:15 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-17 04:37 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 06:41 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-04-17 10:34 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 10:38 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-04-17 15:56 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-18 08:21 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-18 08:19 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 16:51 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 08:36 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-06-01 00:30 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 20:18 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-01 20:39 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-06-03 10:52 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-03 18:24 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-03 09:46 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-03 19:15 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-03 11:54 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-03 21:04 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-03 15:44 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-04 09:10 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-04 05:17 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-04 18:49 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-04 11:23 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-03 15:28 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-04-04 03:35 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-03 18:40 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-04 06:07 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Apollo <nowhere@def.com> - 2016-04-04 07:28 -0600
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 08:42 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-04 07:43 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 11:08 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-04 17:09 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-05 07:20 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-05 16:03 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-04-06 03:46 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-09 03:28 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-12 08:27 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-04-12 09:50 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-13 08:17 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 17:57 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-13 11:29 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 23:08 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-13 19:23 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 09:48 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-14 07:34 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-04-13 17:44 -0400
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-14 09:02 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-12 15:02 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-13 08:04 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-13 09:23 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-13 19:35 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-13 23:16 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-14 07:49 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-14 10:39 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-14 21:29 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-14 15:13 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-15 14:19 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-15 21:48 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-16 10:31 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-16 15:13 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-17 09:10 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-04-16 22:19 -0400
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-17 18:45 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-17 04:58 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-04-16 20:25 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-17 09:16 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-17 18:47 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-13 14:49 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-14 08:12 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-14 13:57 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-15 14:26 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-15 14:54 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-16 04:29 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-18 03:48 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-18 14:40 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-18 14:50 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 18:18 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-19 04:44 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-19 21:23 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-19 20:22 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-19 14:04 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 12:04 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-20 08:43 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-21 11:50 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-21 12:09 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-22 09:39 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-22 09:21 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-25 23:27 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@....> - 2016-04-27 05:25 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-27 22:08 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-28 08:02 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-28 15:07 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@....> - 2016-04-29 06:37 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-05-01 14:45 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-04 14:39 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-03 21:14 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <xxx@....> - 2016-04-04 10:23 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-04 06:17 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 08:44 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-04 07:52 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 11:10 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-04-04 12:47 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <xxx@....> - 2016-04-05 07:43 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-05 06:20 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-04-05 21:20 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-05 15:02 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-04-05 09:15 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-04-06 04:14 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-05 07:00 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 17:10 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-06 13:32 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 08:25 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-08 07:01 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 09:11 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-07 03:50 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 08:27 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-08 04:31 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 07:26 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-08 20:54 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 14:17 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-09 00:18 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 15:41 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-17 17:38 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 11:57 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-10 19:02 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-03 15:21 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-03 15:05 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-04-04 03:43 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-03 21:47 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <xxx@....> - 2016-04-04 10:26 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-04 23:00 +0200
              Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-03 05:57 +0000
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-04-04 04:07 +1000
      Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-03 11:26 -0700
        Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <xxx@....> - 2016-04-04 10:29 +1000
          Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-03 19:53 -0700
            Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hgw@...> - 2016-04-04 14:02 +1000
              Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-04 12:46 -0700
  Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-01 19:25 +0200
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Bimpy <pimp@pimp.com> - 2016-04-01 17:28 +0000
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <xxx@....> - 2016-04-02 08:36 +1100
      Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-02 15:46 +0200
  This is How it Happened...Summary PD <TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> - 2016-04-02 06:58 -0700
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Bimpy <pimp@pimp.com> - 2016-04-02 14:07 +0000
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <xxx@....> - 2016-04-03 08:00 +1000
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-03 08:33 -0700
  Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Carl Susumu <numbernumber1212@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 16:47 -0700
  Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Carl Susumu <numbernumber1212@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 16:54 -0700
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-04-17 18:35 -0700
  Re: This is How it Happened...Summary nero <oldogf@yahoo.it> - 2016-06-03 07:51 -0700
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary nero <oldogf@yahoo.it> - 2016-06-04 04:06 -0700

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