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Re: OT: driving licences

From "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Newsgroups alt.comp.os.windows-10
Subject Re: OT: driving licences
Date 2025-10-08 11:14 +0200
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On 2025-10-07 18:15, Chris wrote:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2025-10-07 13:10, Daniel70 wrote:
>>> On 7/10/2025 5:58 am, The Horny Goat wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2025 00:38:46 +1000, Daniel70
>>>> <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> And talking about STUPIDITY!! ..... When I got my Probationary Licence
>>>>> (so allowed to drive by myself), Probationary Drivers HAD to display a
>>>>> 'P' plate, front and rear of car, AND HAD AN 80KM/H (50MPH) MAXIMUM
>>>>> SPEED LIMIT.
>>>>
>>>> In these parts they have an "L" and a "N" card that you were required
>>>> to display - "L" meant "learner" meaning you had to have a licenced
>>>> driver in the passenger seat while "N" is what you got after
>>>> successfully doing your road test and had to display for your first
>>>> two years.
>>>
>>> Similar here in Victoria, Australia. From age 17 years, you can get your
>>> 'L' (Learner) plates (Black 'L' on a Yellow background) which entitles
>>> you to drive when accompanied by a fully licenced, *SOBER* , driver. I'm
>>> not sure if they are allowed to carry any other passengers.
>>>
>>> When you pass your Drivers Test (You, your licenced driver plus Test
>>> official), you get your 'P' (Probationary) Plates (Red 'P' on White
>>> background) that you have to display whilst driving for three years, I
>>> think.
>>
>> Here (Spain) the L is used both for learning and during the first year
>> after passing the test.
>>
>> However, during learning they are using a special "driving school" car,
>> which has also the school advertising on the roof besides the L. After
>> passing the exam, and obtaining the license, they have to put a green L
>> sign behind the rear side glass.
> 
> Sounds similar to the french system; you can only learn through a driving
> school. Then display an "A" for three years after you pass plus you have
> specific speed limits. Although, I don't know how well this is followed as
> you almost never see these stickers on cars.

I forgot to mention that all driving school cars have double controls. I 
mean, the instructor has at least pedals, so instant brake in emergency. 
Or acceleration.

And the exam is done in the same type of car, probably the same physical 
car. The double pedal has a signal of some sort, so that the examiner, 
sitting in the back, knows instantly of the instructor intervention and 
fails the exam.

A relatively recent modification is that there is an specific license 
for automated shift cars. But a person with such a license is forbidden 
from driving a standard sift/gear car.

> 
>> Novel drivers are not obligated to drive accompanied.
>> And learning has to be with an authorized teacher.
> 
> In the UK, anyone can accompany a learner driver as long as they are over
> 21 and have had a licence for at least three years. You need to have "L"
> plates on the car. A learner can pass the tests having never received a
> formal lesson.
> 
> Once passed you can drive just like anyone else, but will lose your licence
> after only six penalty points (rather than 12) within the first two years.
> You then have to resit your complete test to get a new licence.

Something like that in Spain, too.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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                Re: OT: driving licences "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-07 14:36 +0200
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