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Re: OT: driving licences

From	Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse>
Newsgroups	alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.comp.os.windows-11, alt.comp.software.firefox
Subject	Re: OT: driving licences
Date	2025-08-19 00:38 +1000
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On 18/08/2025 11:34 pm, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> On 2025/8/18 14:10:23, Daniel70 wrote:
>> On 18/08/2025 10:02 pm, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>> On 2025/8/18 12:41:31, Daniel70 wrote:
> 
> []
> 
>>>> In Australia, it used to be if you got your Drivers Licence in an
>>>> Automatic car, you were licenced to drive an Automatic ONLY.
>>>
>>> That's how it is here (UK). If you pass on a manual (US: stick shift),
>>> you're allowed to drive manuals _and_ automatics.>
>>>> You were not licenced to drive a Manual car until you had a number of
>>>> years driving experience. Your initial (Probationary) Licence was for
>>>> three years (I think), so it may have been once you got your Full
>>>> Licence you were allowed to drive a Manual.
>>> I'm pretty sure we here have no such timeout - if you passed on an
>>> automatic, you can only drive automatics - period, as the Americans
>>> would say.
>   I don't think we have anything called "initial" or
>>> "probationary" (though we frequently get suggestions that new drivers
>>> _ought_ to be restricted in some way for a while, such as limits on
>>> passengers below a certain age - but nothing's happened there yet). We
>>> do have "privisional", which is for learning, but you have to have
>>> someone with a full licence in the car with you.
>>
>> "Learners" 'L' Plates displayed. One learner and one fully qualified
>> driver *ONLY* in the car ... no passengers.
>>
>>> That lasts a year I
>>> think - though I think can be renewed, how many times I'm not sure.
>>> (Maximum three years total maybe?)
>>>
>> "Probationary" 'P' plates displayed. Zero Alcohol .... and I think there
>> might be a passenger number limit as well.
> 
> Just to clarify - you're talking about .au there. In UK, the only
> officially-recognised markings are the L plates though you can _get_ P
> plates; L plates are for a learner driver (and I'm pretty sure _must_ be
> displayed), who will have a "provisional" licence and must be
> accompanied by a full licence-holder (though I think _can_ have
> passengers). We don't - yet - have a "newly-passed" classification,
> though there are urgings that we should, with limits on passenger below
> (e. g.) 18 or 21 or ... (to discourage "urging" and/or distraction);
> tighter alcohol limits have also been suggested.
> 
> Our "provisional" - learner, _not_ probationary - licence lasts a year I
> think; as I said, I think it can be renewed, but possibly not indefinitely.
> 
And talking about STUPIDITY!! ..... When I got my Probationary Licence 
(so allowed to drive by myself), Probationary Drivers HAD to display a 
'P' plate, front and rear of car, AND HAD AN 80KM/H (50MPH) MAXIMUM 
SPEED LIMIT.

At one stage I was driving (at 80km/h) on a major, but single lane each 
way, thoroughfare .... so had a growing line of vehicles behind me. So, 
rather than causing the other drivers getting frustrated and, maybe, 
trying dangerous overtaking maneuvers, I sped up to the "Open" 
speed-limit of 100km/h .... and, sure enough, the third or fourth car 
behind me was an unmarked Cop car!! I didn't hold that Licence long!
-- 
Daniel70

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Browse at the speed of thought Jai Hind <jai.hind@gmail.com> - 2025-08-14 00:54 +0000
  Re: Browse at the speed of thought "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2025-08-13 21:46 -0400
    Re: Browse at the speed of thought The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-08-13 20:21 -0700
      Re: Browse at the speed of thought "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-14 12:53 +0200
      Re: Browse at the speed of thought Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-14 21:48 +1000
        Re: Browse at the speed of thought The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-08-14 15:09 -0700
          Re: Browse at the speed of thought Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-08-14 15:25 -0700
            Re: Browse at the speed of thought The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-08-14 19:43 -0700
          Re: Browse at the speed of thought Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-15 21:53 +1000
            Re: Browse at the speed of thought The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-08-15 23:22 -0700
              Re: Browse at the speed of thought "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-16 16:02 +0100
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-16 18:44 -0400
                mostly OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave (was: Re: Browse at the speed of thought) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-17 14:41 +0100
                Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-08-17 12:42 -0500
                Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-08-17 18:50 +0100
                Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-08-17 13:23 -0500
                Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-08-17 19:44 +0100
                Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-08-17 14:53 -0500
                Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-08-18 16:50 +0000
                Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-08-18 13:37 -0500
                Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-17 16:23 -0400
                Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-08-18 07:01 +0100
                Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-08-18 09:08 -0500
                Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> - 2025-11-24 18:09 -0800
                Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-18 13:18 +0100
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-08-16 17:24 -0700
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-08-17 08:55 +0100
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-17 06:48 -0400
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-08-17 12:00 +0100
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-17 15:16 +0100
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-17 22:11 +1000
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-17 15:07 +0100
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-18 21:12 +1000
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought AI User Here <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-17 00:58 +0000
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-08-16 21:07 -0700
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-17 22:23 +1000
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-17 22:57 +1000
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-17 15:49 +0100
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-18 21:30 +1000
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-18 12:54 +0100
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-18 23:00 +1000
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-17 15:37 +0100
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-18 21:41 +1000
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-18 13:02 +0100
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-08-18 13:04 +0100
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-18 13:22 +0100
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-18 23:10 +1000
                OT: driving licences (was: Re: Browse at the speed of thought) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-18 14:34 +0100
                Re: OT: driving licences Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-19 00:38 +1000
                Re: OT: driving licences Peter Johnson <peter@parksidewood.nospam> - 2025-08-18 16:55 +0100
                Re: OT: driving licences The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> - 2025-10-06 11:58 -0700
                Re: OT: driving licences Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-07 22:10 +1100
                Re: OT: driving licences "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-07 14:36 +0200
                Re: OT: driving licences Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-08 00:00 +1100
                Re: OT: driving licences Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-10-07 16:15 +0000
                Re: OT: driving licences "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-08 11:14 +0200
                Re: OT: driving licences Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-08 22:16 +1100
                Re: OT: driving licences "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-25 08:36 +0100
                Re: OT: driving licences Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-11-25 21:56 +1100
                Re: OT: driving licences "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-25 12:41 +0100
                Re: OT: driving licences Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-11-25 23:04 +1100
                Re: OT: driving licences "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-25 18:58 +0100
                Re: OT: driving licences "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-11-25 13:49 +0000
                Re: OT: driving licences Tim Slattery <TimSlattery@utexas.edu> - 2025-11-25 10:47 -0500
                Re: OT: driving licences "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-11-25 17:40 +0000
                Re: OT: driving licences Jim the Geordie <jim@geordieland.com> - 2025-11-25 13:03 +0000
                Re: OT: driving licences Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-25 08:22 -0500
                Re: OT: driving licences Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-11-26 20:51 +1100
                Re: OT: driving licences Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-26 06:35 -0500
                Re: OT: driving licences Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-11-26 23:14 +1100
                Re: OT: driving licences Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-26 13:37 -0500
                Re: OT: driving licences Peter Johnson <peter@parksidewood.nospam> - 2025-10-08 17:03 +0100
                Re: OT: driving licences Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-10-08 17:07 +0000
                Re: OT: driving licences "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-25 08:42 +0100
                Re: OT: driving licences The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> - 2025-10-06 12:03 -0700
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-17 03:42 -0400
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                Re: Browse at the speed of thought Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-17 16:54 -0400
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                Re: Browse at the speed of thought Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-21 03:06 -0400
    Re: Browse at the speed of thought The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> - 2025-11-24 17:12 -0800
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